Are you still in favor of killing this child?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

37 votes so far. 11 took the "no" option.

[Turk Man]

no way in hell

[Elok]

I still don't see how the back-alley abortions argument is relevant. Breaking the law is always risky. If burglary was legal our country would be a lot safer for criminals, but nobody cares about that, do they?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Elok
I still don't see how the back-alley abortions argument is relevant. Breaking the law is always risky.

It is relevant when you drop the holier than thou attitude for a second, and when you think about the teens and young women who had been made pregnant by a man they trusted, and by a man who cowardly abandoned them.
It is relevant if you think these tenns and young women should be punished for a mistakeful love or not.
It is relevant if you think that contraceptions accidents shouldn't have dastardly consequences for all the people involved in the conception.

In short, it is relevant if you look at reality rather than at your book.

[Rogan Josh]

I suppose the real question is at what point do we regard a featus as human? This baby in the story is at 26 weeks. I don't imagine anyone condoning abortion at 26 weeks, so the smiling is irrelevant.

[Dis]

There was a point in which they could determine brain function. That would be my line.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Dissident
There was a point in which they could determine brain function. That would be my line.

(although I would probably put it a little earlier to be on the safe side...)

[Dis]

of course. some fetuses grow quicker than others. I have to remember where I saw that research. But they have determined when a fetus has independant brain activity.

[Elok]

Originally posted by Spiffor
It is relevant when you drop the holier than thou attitude for a second, and when you think about the teens and young women who had been made pregnant by a man they trusted, and by a man who cowardly abandoned them.
It is relevant if you think these tenns and young women should be punished for a mistakeful love or not.
It is relevant if you think that contraceptions accidents shouldn't have dastardly consequences for all the people involved in the conception.
In short, it is relevant if you look at reality rather than at your book.

Compassion isn't the business of the law; government exists to set limits on our passions, not enforce them. Heroin addicts go through hell as a result of bad choices but we still expect them to quit, don't we? If you assume a fetus has the rights of human beings, a woman who aborts in unsanitary conditions is essentially no different from a murderer who attacks armed targets. If you do not assume such rights, the entire argument is clearly in favor of 'choicers start-to-finish, we pro-lifers are just a fringe group like PETA to be propitiated with half-hearted regulations, and the back-alley argument is merely trivial, on the level of a claim that failing to integrate computers into education causes excessive paper cuts. Either way it's a damnably stupid thing to say.

[Asmodean]

Well, law in my country says that you can have an abortion untill the twelvth week of the pregnancy. The fetus is just that, then...a fetus.

Under those circumstances, I'm all for an abortion.

But I have not voted in the poll, 'cause it's never okay to kill a child. The poll options show more about the poster of this thread, than it contributes anything to the debate.

Asmodean

[Lincoln]

The "child" in question can live outside the womb. Glad to hear though that you are "all for abortion". Kind of says quite a bit about you as well.

[Asmodean]

Well sorry, Lincoln. But I have to call 'em as I see 'em.

I didn't say that I don't think that abortion as a contraception is an unfortunate thing. Because it is.

But it is not as terrible as some would make it, either. And ultimately it should be the woman's own choice.

And that's really al I want to say on the matter. It really isn't important enough for me to actively participate in.

Asmodean

[Traianvs]

Having an abortion or using a condom is supposed to be murder, according to the catholic church; but every time you don't impregnate your wife when she is able to be impregnated, could be regarded as murder too, because you deny the child that would be born from sexual intercourse the right to live...

every day you waste sperm is an extra murder!!


A foetus inside a womb is totally dependant on the woman carrying the foetus, and it is not yet an independant living being, so the mother has all the right to do with it what she wants...

besides who cares about a human that doesn't even realize what's going on. If I were to become a plant due to brain damage of some kind then you can gladly splatter my brains all over the place, and use my organs for anyone else that needs them.

[Ecthy]

I don't care for what other people do, but I couldn't have my own child aborted. If you don't want it / can't pay for it, let other people care for it and try staying in touch. If you do want it, raise it.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Elok
Compassion isn't the business of the law; government exists to set limits on our passions, not enforce them.

This is exactly why your religious babble is not listened by the lawmakers. They try to achieve results, i.e to get an orderly society without tons of unraised kids running galore. This was the core of planned parenthood from the beginning (in the lawmaker's perspective), and this will remain so.
Since your position is only backed with passion, I'm damn glad the government won't enforce it

Heroin addicts go through hell as a result of bad choices but we still expect them to quit, don't we?

Yes.
And I don't know about your country, but in mine, the State provides hospitals and institutions specialized in making this quitting as efficient and as humane as possible.
But maybe you think that threatening junkies with the "quit-or-Bubba-will-have-your-ass" argument is a better solution ?

I don't know. In my culture, we try to solve problems. I thought the Americans enjoyed solving their problems too.