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**Shi Huangdi** · September 13, 2003, 18:29

Abortion is murder.

**Frozzy** · September 13, 2003, 18:29

I am undecided. Honestly. I'm still thinking that it should be before the baby has any conciousness/humanoid features.

**GePap** · September 13, 2003, 18:32

People in the uS need to get a grip on the issue: it's interesting how most European countries have little problem with the issue.

And it should remain legal.

**Bereta_Eder** · September 13, 2003, 18:33

Abortion saves lives.

**Bereta_Eder** · September 13, 2003, 18:35

Seriously though, the point is to have enough education about constraception methods so as NOT to have to resort to abortion in the first place.

**Theben** · September 13, 2003, 18:37

Do another poll, and replace 'child' with 'fetus'. It's never okay to kill a child.

**Stefu** · September 13, 2003, 18:40

People in the uS need to get a grip on the issue: it's interesting how most European countries have little problem with the issue.

Then again, most European countries (IIRC) have more restrictions on abortion than US.

Honestly, it's such an either/or issue in US. Either you have abortions for none or abortions for everyone, instead of abortions for some and miniature plastic flags for others. I mean, I think it's ridiculous to claim a right to life to two cells not doing much else than clinging to each other, and it's downright ghoulish to demand a right to abortion for non-life-threatening reasons right up to the moment of birth. But to some partisans it seems that it's all or nothing.

**GePap** · September 13, 2003, 18:44

That is exactly the point: in the US everything is an issue of rights, rights this, rights that...no one cares to accept the soverignty of the government and its ability to make laws: everything has to be about the validation of some fundamental right...

There is no right to life, nor right to abortion. What there needs to be is sensible family planning legislation.

**SlowwHand** · September 13, 2003, 18:55

And following that, I've always been against contraceptive abortion, until I found ACS and discovered thinning the herd might be a good idea.

**Spiffor** · September 13, 2003, 18:58

Stefu

**Jaguar** · September 13, 2003, 18:59

Originally posted by GePap
There is no right to life, nor right to abortion. What there needs to be is sensible family planning legislation.

I think both of those are rights, but neither always trumps the other.

**Solver** · September 13, 2003, 19:20

A question to people who support making abortion illegal - do you think it would help? I think that most mothers then (remember, many abortions come from teen sex) would just try to get rid of their pregnancy "manually", which could damage them seriously.

**Spiffor** · September 13, 2003, 19:24

Originally posted by Solver
do you think it would help? I think that most mothers then (remember, many abortions come from teen sex) would just try to get rid of their pregnancy "manually", which could damage them seriously.

I don't think this is their problem. In every abortion "debate" I could witness, anti-abortionists took the position of principle that abortion is murder, and murder should be illegal in all circumstances. Real-life consequences are never took into consideration, except when it comes to those unwanted kids who grew in a loving environment despite the unwantedness.

**MattH** · September 13, 2003, 19:29

Originally posted by SlowwHand
And following that, I've always been against contraceptive abortion, until I found ACS and discovered thinning the herd might be a good idea.

It's up to the mother	45.83%	44 votes
No, of course not	23.96%	23 votes
Yes, it's just so much tissue	16.67%	16 votes
No, but it is OK to kill him before he can smile	13.54%	13 votes

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