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Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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well she probably doesn't smell very nice right nowAny views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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only if I was downwindAny views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Re: Re: Lehrer
Originally posted by gunkulator
"Once the rockets go up who cares where they come down?
That's not my department, says Werner Von Braun"
Ah yes, Tom Lehrer. Still, without von Braun the US space program would have been a decade or more behind the Soviets. You sure do find a lot of German names when you look at great "American" scientists.
She should be honored for her achievements, IMHO.
Strictly from an interview of her I saw a few years ago, she definitely seem to be in love with Adolf. He seem to have that effect on a lot of German women.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by molly bloom
Riefenstahl and Eisenstein, forever twinned with Hitler and Stalin.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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not true. when Stalin came to power Eisenstein's movies went down the toilet.Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The difference is Eisenstein's movies are still good. Even W.D. Griffith's movie is still good. Triumph of the Will is drek.
I despise Nazism and Fascism, but Riefenstahl captured the seductive power of those ideologies- and did so in a technically and artistically accomplished way. That's what makes 'Triumph des Willens' dangerous as well as impressive. I look back at archive footage of Hitler's speeches (and to a lesser extent, Mussolini's speeches) and wonder what were people thinking? The rhetoric, posturing, declamatory tirades, are all unconvincing. Then I watch 'Triumph des Willens' and it clicks.
One of my former headmasters was a British spy in pre-war Germany and told me of how at the Nuremberg rallies otherwise respectable women would work themselves into a sexual frenzy during Hitler's speeches-they would strike their thighs with their fists, or the flat of their hands, and as the saying goes, there wasn't a dry seat in the house...
To me that's what 'Triumph des Willens' captures. Fascinating fascism, as Susan Sontag called it. To criticise Riefenstahl for not being Saatchi and Saatchi or Madison Avenue is like criticising Daniel Defoe for not using the stream of consciousness technique, or the builders of Stonehenge for not using Romanesque style.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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That's true. Hitler was an electrifying speaker but this is not conveyed by recordings of his voice. He had a heavy Austrian accent and is quite difficult to understand sometimes. The atmospherics and stage setting of the speeches were all important.
Another interesting thing about Leni was she broke all the rules about what the nazis thought a woman should be. She was independent, successful and public, quite an oddity in nazi Germany where women were expected to stay at home and have babies. It was her talent and usefulness to Hitler and Goebbels which made it possible for her to have a career.
Her movies were just about the only work done in Nazi Germany of any lasting artistic merit.Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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