Anti-War U.S. Marine Sentenced to Six Months in Jail

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This A-hole signed a paper declaring he wasn't a conscientious objector and was very happy to take the military's money up until he had to actually do his job. To abandon his friends right when they need him and to renege on his solemn oath after years of training and preparation is unforgivable.

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Originally posted by laurentius
howbout if the guy joined the marines only to defend america-his homeland. If he doesnt want to fight legally unjust wars abroad, he IMO shouldnt be crusifield like this. Maybe hes just a patriot, no more.

Marines have never been a defense force. Since the very beginning the Marines have been designed as an offensive military force. He knew this when he signed up and he lso signed a contract declaring he didn't have any moral problems with going to war. He took the money, he made the commitements, and accepted the job... then he abandoned his position, ignored his orders, and violated his oath of service.

He should have been convicted for desertion.

[HershOstropoler]

"The fact that invading Iraq to get rid of Hussein displeases Lima Deltas around the world does not make it unlawful."

The fact that it was a criminal act under international law may have a little more clout in making it unlawful.

But more interesting, what are the rules for leaving the reserve? How far in advance do you have to say "I'm outta here"?

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Please explain specificially what makes it illegal. Please keep in mind the numerous UN resolutions which specifically authorize the use of force against Iraq. It would also be nice if you would site actual binding treaties which were ratified by all parties and not simple wishy-washy declarations which were not legally inforcable treaties.

[HershOstropoler]

Not again.

Nuremberg and Tokyo precedence, UN charter.

No UN SC resolution has authorized the US and Britain to attack Iraq.

"But 1441 says", "but it was just a ceasefire", "but it wasn't a real war" are all lame crappy excuses. You needed SC authorization, you didn't get it, end of story.

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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
No UN SC resolution has authorized the US and Britain to attack Iraq.

I'll bet you $5 you're wrong.

Nuremberg and Tokyo precedence, UN charter.

Please show how the Nurmeberg & Tokyo declarations are legally binding treaties which national governments ever ratified also please show that the UN Charter has absolutely any relivence upon any war since it's inception.

[HershOstropoler]

First, you'll lose that bet. Second, treaties are not the only binding source of international law. Third, I doubt you can argue for desuetudo of the UN charter. Wanna try?

[chequita guevara]

The problem is, people think they'll just be assigned to defend the country or its allies or go someplace to help keep the peace, because they've never seriously analyzed America's previous militaqry actions. Then they find the U.S. going into a war of which they don't approve and they're like f*ck I don't support this, I sure as hell don't want to die for it.

But that's not what a consciencous object is. You have to be a pacifist, which makes you wonder why they joined in the first place. Fact is, people change, and while at one point you may have supported the military, you came to realize you don't support any war at all. So you hope just to serve out your time rather than make an issue of it until you have to.

[SlowwHand]

Hershey, once again, read 1441.
It calls for a cancellation of the CEASE FIRE.

No wonder you bastards whine so much.
You've not a clue as to wtf it's all about.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Hershey, once again, read 1441.
It calls for a cancellation of the CEASE FIRE.

I believe the phrase was serious consequences.

No wonder you bastards whine so much.
You've not a clue as to wtf it's all about.

Right back at ya.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Right back at ya.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
First, you'll lose that bet.

No he won't. You wrote this:

No UN SC resolution has authorized the US and Britain to attack Iraq.

They were authorized in 1990 to attack Iraq if Iraq hadn't removed itself from Kuwait by Jan 15, 1991.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Sprayber

I don't know about Leavenworth, but here at Ft Sill some of guys in my unit went on a walkthrough ( they all work at prisons in their cvilian life) and they said things were a litte stricter than where they work back in the state prisons. The regional correctional facility here at Ft Sill is used as an overflow for Leavenworth. Sorry I can't give ya more deails, but I had no interest in even going near the place. I did see some of the prisoners being escorted for a hospital vist during one of my visits about a month ago. He didn't look happy having the Marine pulling him through the hospital with shackles.

AFAIK they're thinking of closing down the military prisons (cost savings). I dont remember where I heard it though (C-span I think).

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SpencerH
AFAIK they're thinking of closing down the military prisons (cost savings). I dont remember where I heard it though (C-span I think).

I'm not thinking that's a good idea.

[MrFun]

Commies like the use of prisons -- look at their history . . . .