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  • #46
    Originally posted by HershOstropoler
    "Somehow this money doesn't find its way to the people now does it?"

    Based on what?

    "This financial "aid" gives the Euros a voice with the Pals that they try to use to make "backroom" deals. Obviously, the deals aren't about stopping terrorism, now are they?"

    About what are they then? Olive oil deals?

    "You can achieve this far easier through actions to solve the problem than through confrontation to look powerful and maintain dubious influence."

    Yes, you really should reconsider your policy towards Sharon.
    I love how you answer questions with questions Care to try any real answers?
    "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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    • #47
      Not as long as you spout around a load of silly premises.
      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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      • #48
        Originally posted by HershOstropoler
        Not as long as you spout around a load of silly premises.

        France will give 7.14 million euro (about 6.28 million U.S. dollars) in aid to Palestine in 2002, one-fourth of which will go to educational cooperation, the French Foreign Ministry announced Wednesday.

        "Our cooperation, all fields included, will rise to 7.14 million euro. As projects progress, the financing will be reevaluated," said Francois Rivasseau, spokesman of the French ministry.

        Two important parts, totaling at about 2 million euro (about 1. 76 million euro) mostly for modernization of education system, will be added to the existing programs of traditional cooperation (training of manager and university scholarship), said Rivasseau.

        Some 2.25 million euro (about 1.98 million dollars) will be injected into institutional cooperation "in support of the establishment of a Palestinian State," he said.

        France will also reinforce its cooperation with Palestine in social development and health, he added.

        On his part, visiting Palestinian Minister of International Cooperation Nabil Chaath told reporters: "France is also engaged to maintain its aid in the construction of a Palestinian port."

        Earlier in the month, the European Union communicated to the Israeli government its "strong rejection" to the destruction of Palestinian buildings and infrastructure that were financed by the Europeans, such as the airport and port of Gaza.

        The damages of the installations -- jointly invested by France, the Netherlands and the Investment Bank of Europe -- were estimated at about 335,000 euro (about 294,800 dollars).
        How abot that $2.25 million in "institutional co-operation"? Not to mention the fact that none of these other projects are off the ground in spite of the fact that the money was delivered.

        Silly premises?

        How 'bout now? Got any REAL answers?
        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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        • #49
          Originally posted by HershOstropoler
          "Somehow this money doesn't find its way to the people now does it?"

          Based on what?
          Based on both intelligence, and the situation as you see it on the ground.

          Arafat's compounds in Gaza and Ramallah have been bombed a dozen time, and have been rebuilt always.

          But Palestinains still have absolutely no income insirance or anything.

          "This financial "aid" gives the Euros a voice with the Pals that they try to use to make "backroom" deals. Obviously, the deals aren't about stopping terrorism, now are they?"

          About what are they then? Olive oil deals?



          What about natural gas deals?

          Several european contractors have all bean eager to drill, extract, move and resell huge quantities of natural gas found on the shores of Gaza. I think a British company has recieved rights, but the deal is blocked so far, since Israel, the most probably and profitable client, doesn't want to buy it's gas from the Pals.

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          • #50
            So, those projects in education, infrastructure etc don't exist, and it all goes to rebuilding Arafat's compound? Is that your point? Or are you claiming that the EU is funding palestinian terrorists?
            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Sirotnikov
              then why is Arafat not officially accused of supporting terrorism and therefore liqiudated? martyr danger?


              Because we are waiting for the rest of the world to recognize that.

              The US already has, and has given us a green light. I think we're going to wait a bit more for europe, and eventually Arafat will not remain to see 2004 in power.

              (why) does the west not officially recognise the deep twirling between Arafat's organisation and terrorist groups?

              For the same reasons that it took so long for France to recognize Hamas as a terrorist movement.
              IIRC, the Bush administration has implied that if Abbas resigned for inability to follow the roadmap due to Arafat's interference (which is exactly what just happened), they would officially wash their hands of the matter, and let Israel do what they have to do.
              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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              • #52
                The problem is, the separation into militant and political wings worked for the IRA (Sein Fein (sp?)). Because the recognition of the political side as a legitimate entity allowed a peace process to be successful, I think many in the EU believe it will also work in the case of Hamas, et al.

                My problem with that is that they are not taking cultural and political differences into consideration. Because of the basic differences in power structure, Sein Fein's "word" has weight, while Hamas' political wing has none.
                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by PLATO
                  Arafats time needs to end. Do what you need to do Israel.
                  You realize that would cause a full-scale uprising by the Palestinians, right?
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #54
                    You realize that would cause a full-scale uprising by the Palestinians, right?


                    Hey Che... This is not September 27th 2000 anymore. A full-scale uprising is in progress for almost three years now.
                    "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by chegitz guevara You realize that would cause a full-scale uprising by the Palestinians, right?
                      Cause up until now they've only been half hearted.
                      "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                      • #56
                        Recall Arafat!
                        http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Ned
                          Recall Arafat!
                          "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                          • #58
                            Wow. Yet another Mideast peace plan teeters on the brink of the abyss. Am I surprised? Nope.
                            "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                            "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Ned
                              Recall Arafat!
                              God will do that soon, he's about 78 Maybe the Isrealis think the best thing to do is wait.

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                              • #60
                                I believe it's been said that members of his family routinely live into their nineties.
                                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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