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  • #31
    does it mean all power goes back to Arafat or will there be a newly elected PM shortly?

    or will the world cease to exist within the next 3 days due to an all out worldwide nuclear war?

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    • #32
      Well, this will make it more difficult for both parties to feign interest in peace, at least for a while.

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      • #33
        Speaking of the masked men who appeared outside of the PLC when Abu Mazen gave his speech, and held signs with Arafat and threatened Aby Mazen...

        According to a report on CNN, they identified themselves as being Al-Aqsa operatives.

        If you forget, Al-Aqsa are the terrorist brigade of the Fatah, who answer to... Arafat.

        Furthermore, Israel uncovered documents proving that Arafat directly pays their salaries.

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        • #34
          then why is Arafat not officially accused of supporting terrorism and therefore liqiudated? martyr danger?

          (why) does the west not officially recognise the deep twirling between Arafat's organisation and terrorist groups?

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          • #35
            or will the world cease to exist within the next 3 days due to an all out worldwide nuclear war?
            I think that's scheduled for Thursday.
            "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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            • #36
              OK.

              anyone else enjoyed the all out nuclear combat in T3?

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              • #37
                If Israel liquidated Arafat, even more hell would break loose. Plus, just by being alive and in front of the PLO for 40 years, he has enough legitimacy for the UN to get pissed at Israel if they off him.

                On the other hand, exile is a real possibility...I hope he's still a fan of Tunisia.

                And it's just Europe that's pretending that Arafat isn't associated with terrorism.
                I refute it thus!
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Ecthelion
                  then why is Arafat not officially accused of supporting terrorism and therefore liqiudated? martyr danger?

                  (why) does the west not officially recognise the deep twirling between Arafat's organisation and terrorist groups?
                  Well, Israel hasn't acted against Arafat except to isolate him because they've promised the US that they wouldn't. And the US and EU don't want actions against Arafat because it might martyr him and complicate the situation, and also because wittling his power by isolating him might work better at getting him off the scene then expelling him. Of course, it didn't help matters when some European countries (I'm looking at you, again, France) refused to meet with Abbas and instead met with Arafat...

                  Of course, expelling now looks more and more feasable.
                  "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                  • #39
                    then why is Arafat not officially accused of supporting terrorism and therefore liqiudated? martyr danger?


                    Because we are waiting for the rest of the world to recognize that.

                    The US already has, and has given us a green light. I think we're going to wait a bit more for europe, and eventually Arafat will not remain to see 2004 in power.

                    (why) does the west not officially recognise the deep twirling between Arafat's organisation and terrorist groups?

                    For the same reasons that it took so long for France to recognize Hamas as a terrorist movement.

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                    • #40
                      namely? we're just all being anti-semites?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sirotnikov
                        For the same reasons that it took so long for France to recognize Hamas as a terrorist movement.
                        And that reason is money. It is time for France and the EU to step up on terrorism. If they continue to shield people like Arafat in the name of looking out for their influence in the reason then the split in the west will get worse. I think that the US is pretty close to being done with those who deal terror. 9/11 woke up a lot of people here. It may be impossible for us to ever go back to the political games that allowed terror to become the force it is. Finally we are recognizing that Israel has been shouting the truth for far longer than many want to admit.
                        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by PLATO


                          And that reason is money. It is time for France and the EU to step up on terrorism.
                          Really? How much is Arafat paying us?
                          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                          • #43
                            Oh, it's true. All the French people I know are personally in the pocket of Arafat. Those evil Frenchies.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by HershOstropoler


                              Really? How much is Arafat paying us?
                              It is not what he is paying you (duh!), but the financial support that you give to the Palestinians under the guise of "relief" efforts. Somehow this money doesn't find its way to the people now does it? Since it does have to go somewhere, it wouldn't suprise me if your comment wasn't truer than you think . This financial "aid" gives the Euros a voice with the Pals that they try to use to make "backroom" deals. Obviously, the deals aren't about stopping terrorism, now are they? Like I said...You guys need to step up on this issue and quit worrying about trying to be a big player on the international block. You can achieve this far easier through actions to solve the problem than through confrontation to look powerful and maintain dubious influence.
                              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                              • #45
                                "Somehow this money doesn't find its way to the people now does it?"

                                Based on what?

                                "This financial "aid" gives the Euros a voice with the Pals that they try to use to make "backroom" deals. Obviously, the deals aren't about stopping terrorism, now are they?"

                                About what are they then? Olive oil deals?

                                "You can achieve this far easier through actions to solve the problem than through confrontation to look powerful and maintain dubious influence."

                                Yes, you really should reconsider your policy towards Sharon.
                                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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