This sucks...

[Monk]

DFloyd,

Assuming taxes are indeed stolen and immoral then nobody has a right to expect money out of the government. Stay consistant, man; if a system - say, the welfare system - is immoral, why doesn't the same "immoral" label apply to the ones who upkeep said system? Why doesn't your celebrated personal responsibility work here?

Also, without knowing anything about your financial ressources, I'd think it's unlikely you've paid enough in taxes to match the amount of money the government is using on your education. Or to put it differently, the money you want back is probably a bigger amount than the taxes you've paid.

[Tattila the Hun]

What is race? Race is nothing.

But people with frecless disturb me. Wierd buggers.

[MrFun]

Maybe I should just call all anti-AA people racist . . .

[Harry Seldon]

Maybe I should call all women butterflies and tell people I live in Lilliputin but I don't think anyone would take me seriously.

[David Floyd]

Assuming taxes are indeed stolen and immoral then nobody has a right to expect money out of the government.

Certainly. But when money is being taken from me, I have every moral right to get it back from the government any way I can.

Stay consistant, man; if a system - say, the welfare system - is immoral, why doesn't the same "immoral" label apply to the ones who upkeep said system? Why doesn't your celebrated personal responsibility work here?

Because I am not responsible for the government taking my money. I'd vote against public education, and pretty much every other tax, in a heartbeat, but while I'm paying those taxes, I WILL find a way to get value in return.

Also, without knowing anything about your financial ressources, I'd think it's unlikely you've paid enough in taxes to match the amount of money the government is using on your education. Or to put it differently, the money you want back is probably a bigger amount than the taxes you've paid.

You'd be surprised, but in any case, I guarantee you that the government is not investing more in my education than I'll pay them over my lifetime. Social Security taxes, BY THEMSELVES, will probably exceed my education expenses, and it's doubtful I'll ever see any of that back directly.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MrFun
Maybe I should just call all anti-AA people racist . . .

You could but you'd have no case. Though the people who oppose making race the deciding factor have an excellent case to say the pro-AA people are bigots.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Oerdin


You could but you'd have no case. Though the people who oppose making race the deciding factor have an excellent case to say the pro-AA people are bigots.

If you want to call people racist, who are not racist go ahead, but it won't help your argument at all.


Look at me -- I'm a white person who hates my own race!

[Dinner]

If you want to make race the deciding issue on whither or not someone gets into a university then you are, by definition, a racist.

[MrFun]

And that's where you're wrong, since I am not a racist person.

But believe what you want to believe -- I use a different rationale, as I have already tried to explain, on why AA would be a good, temporary policy.


But if I want to play the same game you're playing, I would have to wager, that those who oppose AA just want to keep those darkies from getting TOO uppity.

[David Floyd]

And that's where you're wrong, since I am not a racist person.

If you support AA, I'd have to agree with Oerdin. AA is essentially racism, and supporting AA means supporting racism.

It might also be a good, temporary policy to put all black people in centralized camps in order to cut down on violent crime - but that solution is certainly racist, right?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by David Floyd


If you support AA, I'd have to agree with Oerdin. AA is essentially racism, and supporting AA means supporting racism.

It might also be a good, temporary policy to put all black people in centralized camps in order to cut down on violent crime - but that solution is certainly racist, right?

fvck you

[David Floyd]

I see that someone doesn't like being called on their emotional support for a program

[MrFun]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I see that someone doesn't like being called on their emotional support for a program

So since you can't argue legitimately, you have to call all pro-AA people racist, regardless of what their real rationale is behind their position?

pathetic

[David Floyd]

No, not at all. AA is a race-based program. This means that you are supporting the idea of giving preferential treatment to people based on their race. Whether you like it or not, this fulfills the definition of "racism".

I'm not interested in your rationale - it isn't relevant right here. The point is, intentionally or not, you ARE supporting racism when you support AA. There's no way around that fact.

[MikeH]

AA's racist but so is society. End racism in society then we won't need AA.