Problems with being a scared gay boi (at least for me).

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
not necessarily true... and you certainly aren't qualified to say so...
that's debatable as well... do we have free will or not... can we live beyond the genetic code that makes us who we are? oh well...

Genetic code? You think THAT determines everything?

I'm not saying determinism isn't correct (in fact, I believe it is the only rational possibility); I'm just quibbling with your wording

However, even with determinism, you have free will. You make your own choices. It's just that those choices are predetermined. There's no problem because it is inherently impossible to predict the future.

[Sava]

Originally posted by skywalker


Genetic code? You think THAT determines everything?

that's not what I said...
[quote]
I'm not saying determinism isn't correct (in fact, I believe it is the only rational possibility); I'm just quibbling with your wording

However, even with determinism, you have free will. You make your own choices.

prove it...

It's just that those choices are predetermined. There's no problem because it is inherently impossible to predict the future.

prove it

[Thorn]

I think I have uncovered something very important on my rehabilitation.... I just don't see how to get over the fear.

I mean has anyone had any exprience in getting over a fear that you HAD TO in order to live life?

[Skanky Burns]

Another thread for that stuff...
EDIT: to Sava

[Sava]

sorry thorn, I can't say I have...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
that's not what I said...

yes it is

prove it...

Why do I have to prove it? I want you to prove to me that someone ELSE makes my choices

prove it

Any computer, to predict the future, would have to track every single piece of information about every single particle in the universe, as everything at least minutely affects everything else. Thus, the computer would also have to track it's component particles - every piece of information about them. And the information about them is what you are using to store the information about the OTHER particles...

You see, it's inherently impossible.

[Sava]

yes it is

nah, I said our genetic code makes us who we are... that's true.

Why do I have to prove it? I want you to prove to me that someone ELSE makes my choices

ah, but do choices actually exist... it's not to say someone else is making them for you...

Any computer, to predict the future, would have to track every single piece of information about every single particle in the universe, as everything at least minutely affects everything else. Thus, the computer would also have to track it's component particles - every piece of information about them. And the information about them is what you are using to store the information about the OTHER particles...

You see, it's inherently impossible.

what's inherent about it's supposed impossibility?

Anyways... my point as it relates to Thorn is that we are who we are. Don't fear who you are, accept it and live your life.

[Kuciwalker]

what's inherent about it's supposed impossibility?

You can't have a higher information density than the universe.

[st_swithin]

I tried to commit suicide a couple of times, and by the second try I realised I was a horrible failure at it. I got over my fear of being a complete failure by being a horrible failure. Sort of like that movie "Gigli."

[Elok]

Fear, in my experience, is overcome naturally when you get sick of the consequences of living in it. Kinda like the beginning of the Declaration of Independence. When, in the course of human events, your neurosis screws up your life so badly that it's better to face it than endure it, you can and hopefully will whoop it like a lying stepchild. You sound like you're almost there. Examine the consequences of living in fear, and eventually, if you're anything like me, you'll get sick of it and fight. It's what's known as a "Hamlet Moment."
And this isn't the kind of thread that it's okay to jack, IMO.

[Thorn]

I tried to commit suicide a couple of times, and by the second try I realised I was a horrible failure at it. I got over my fear of being a complete failure by being a horrible failure. Sort of like that movie "Gigli."

Yeah I was also really bad at that, I guess 8 times was not the charm, eh?

I just am also afraid that the minute things might make my fear more justified, that I wind up back into this **** again, possibly forever..... this is putting tremendous pressure and stress on me....

[st_swithin]

Try getting married sometime, then well talk consequences.

[TCO]

I love aliens. I want to have sex with alien hotties like Kirk does.

[Elok]

The answer to fear of the future is to ask yourself how exactly you prevent bad things from happening by obsessing over them, or how you can retroactively make them cease to have occured.
Tito Colliander gives probably the best advice on this; since you don't seem religious I'll paraphrase heavily: when you fail and find yourelf in a situation that leaves you disgusted with yourself, your first reaction should be joy that you realized you were screwing up before you could sink lower than you actually did. Your second course of action is to brush yourself off and try to do better without a single backward glance. Mercilessly crush all self-pity and regret. Hum annoying commercial jingles to force the recriminations out of your head if you have to. If that doesn't work, try Eye of the Tiger. Whatever kills an obsession with failure is a friend of yours. Doubts do you no good and provide you with no new information. Refuse to let them into your thoughts.

[Thorn]

I dunno if I ever say this, but I do appreciate help BTW.

You know I've also realized that maybe my boyfriend isn't compatible with me. He does protect and take care of me, but I think there is more to a healthy relationship then those traits. So I might be doing these changes without support.