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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I'll give you the Guardian, but not the Beeb. It's not our fault the truth favors the left.
I'll give you the Guardian, but not the Beeb. It's not our fault the truth favors the left.
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come now, finding leftie bias in the Guardian would be too easy, it wouldnt be fun - the Beeb is so much more subtle. And of course the Guardian doesnt live on tax money, and doesnt have a reputation for noble objectivity. The Guardians entitled to be leftie - I got nothing against leftie or rightie media - let a thousand flowers bloom. When a corporation refuses to be accountable either to the marketplace, or the voters, and acts as a sovereign entity with the power to tax......"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber -
This thread was created on the third of September.
The BBC article was last updated on the first of Setpember.
Take from that what you will.Comment
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note on the same pageOriginally posted by HershOstropoler
These battles?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3199135.stm
See also:
Afghanistan 'out of control'
10 Aug 03 | South Asia
Taleban 'aims to regain power'
28 Mar 03 | South Asia
Pakistan urges closer Afghan ties
22 Aug 03 | South Asia
Afghanistan's alienated Pashtuns
09 Aug 03 | South Asia"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I was too lazy to go looking as thoroughly as Hersh. Mea culpa. I didnt see it on the current south asia page, which has numerous past articles. Evidently they didnt see it as important enough to keep it there, despite other items on Afghanistan.Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
This thread was created on the third of September.
The BBC article was last updated on the first of Setpember.
Take from that what you will."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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indeed there are no links to the article anywhere on the site - only way i could find it was by doing a search on afghanistan."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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\Originally posted by lord of the mark
yup those battles. Glad to see the Beeb finally got it.
wonder where they get this though
"The hunt, which is in its seventh day, has so far reportedly led to the death of up to 90 Taleban fighters"
when AP quotes a named local official as saying 124 fighters. but i'll admit thats a quibble.
pardon i thought you had posted a current update. The beebs article was a couple of days ago, so yes, it could have been additional deaths.
Of course that means that the Beeb is doing one article every 3 days, on what seems to be the most intense battle in Afganistan in over a year. And the article is pretty well hidden."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Well what looks like the oldest story on the SE asia page:
Which is later than the other article. And it mentions the offensive in Zabul.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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i saw it was about defence reformsOriginally posted by HershOstropoler
Well what looks like the oldest story on the SE asia page:
Which is later than the other article. And it mentions the offensive in Zabul.
, and so i skipped it. As i suppose most readers did. That couldnt have been intentional, oh no.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Looks like someone's pet theory of a biased Beeb has blown up in their faces...
Firstly the useless Beeb 'finally got it' by reporting it before AP...
Secondly the Beeb appears less erm, what was that word again...
Oh, biased than the American report which omitted the two dead and one wounded US soldiers...
Or even your biased thread title about '124 taliban killed', when only 37 have actually been confirmed by the US officials...
Finally, as previously mentioned, Afghanistan is just not headline news and certainly not important in the UK so the fact that it is reported at all is a sign of the Beeb's quality - not a detraction from it. That the AP report is 'more current' is irrelevant considering that the reporting is less accurate and that despite being more recent, sheds no extra light on the battle - the BBC will update its report once something worthwhile happens next.
And it is not hard to find, you just have to know where to look...
Sorry LotM, the only thing biased on this thread appear to be your posts...
Perhaps we should call you 'Lord of the Dark' instead in recognition of your apparently 'biased' attempts to discredit the BBC in an unwarranted smear campaign...
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actually AP has been reporting almost every day for a week. Even CNN managed to turn its attention from Kobe Bryant to report on it on Monday.Originally posted by MOBIUS
Looks like someone's pet theory of a biased Beeb has blown up in their faces...
Firstly the useless Beeb 'finally got it' by reporting it before AP...
Secondly the Beeb appears less erm, what was that word again...
Oh, biased than the American report which omitted the two dead and one wounded US soldiers...
Or even your biased thread title about '124 taliban killed', when only 37 have actually been confirmed by the US officials...
Finally, as previously mentioned, Afghanistan is just not headline news and certainly not important in the UK so the fact that it is reported at all is a sign of the Beeb's quality - not a detraction from it. That the AP report is 'more current' is irrelevant considering that the reporting is less accurate and that despite being more recent, sheds no extra light on the battle - the BBC will update its report once something worthwhile happens next.
And it is not hard to find, you just have to know where to look...
Sorry LotM, the only thing biased on this thread appear to be your posts...
Perhaps we should call you 'Lord of the Dark' instead in recognition of your apparently 'biased' attempts to discredit the BBC in an unwarranted smear campaign...
And AP has also covered the US losses in other stories. They didnt cover it here cause the losses were in another battle, in another province. Only 37 have been confirmed dead by US officials, but the local Afghan official says 124. If any number above 37 is inaccurate, why does the Beeb report 90?
and dont tell me its not headline news - think if the Afghan army had lost 124 people, or even 90, or even 37, and the Taliban had lost 5, it wouldnt have been headline news?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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"Crucially, they have also fed support for a violent Taleban insurgency in the southeast of the country.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Well what looks like the oldest story on the SE asia page:
Which is later than the other article. And it mentions the offensive in Zabul.
For the past week, American troops have been backing up an Afghan Government offensive against a large group of fighters in Zabul province. "
In other words they only mentioned the offensive in Zabul in order to tie it to alleged support for the Taleban resulting from pashtun discontent with the Kabul govt. Despite the fact that most of the fighters seem to come from Pakistan, and there is no clear evidence that the fight is due to local support."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Quantity doesn't not necessarily make quality as we have seen...Originally posted by lord of the mark
actually AP has been reporting almost every day for a week. Even CNN managed to turn its attention from Kobe Bryant to report on it on Monday.
Aha - so it is OK to believe local Afghan sources then - so all those thousands of civilian casualties reported by local Afghans and denied by US officials were correct after all!And AP has also covered the US losses in other stories. They didnt cover it here cause the losses were in another battle, in another province. Only 37 have been confirmed dead by US officials, but the local Afghan official says 124. If any number above 37 is inaccurate, why does the Beeb report 90?
You can't have your cake and eat it, LotD...
Yes, because that would have been seen as a major reverse and therefore highly newsworthy especially considering the US has decided to put rooting out the Taleban and Al-Qaeda on the back burner in favour of getting itself embroiled in a conflict of its own making in Iraq...and dont tell me its not headline news - think if the Afghan army had lost 124 people, or even 90, or even 37, and the Taliban had lost 5, it wouldnt have been headline news?
You still haven't mentioned that your initial attack on the Beeb has been exposed as completely unfounded and that you were blinded by your own biased and that you are sorry and won't do it again...
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AP didnt say they believed it, and neither did I. But a number from a local official would seem newsworthy, especially when most of the coalition troops on the ground were Afghans. And since the BBC had ALREADY used such a source ( or where else did their figure of 90 come from)Originally posted by MOBIUS
Aha - so it is OK to believe local Afghan sources then - so all those thousands of civilian casualties reported by local Afghans and denied by US officials were correct after all!
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Why woud it be a major reverse, when, as the BBC has headlined, the Taleban is attempting to regain power, and afghanistan is "out of control". In that context a military victory by the Taleban is just what I would expect, and a military defeat by the Taleban would seem to be a major reverse.Originally posted by MOBIUS
Yes, because that would have been seen as a major reverse and therefore highly newsworthy"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by MOBIUS
You still haven't mentioned that your initial attack on the Beeb has been exposed as completely unfounded and that you were blinded by your own biased and that you are sorry and won't do it again...
A. I didnt attack them - merely pointed out that they didnt cover what the AP did. It was pointed out that they DID cover an earlier stage of the battle - as the AP also did. I didnt find it on their site - and couldnt without a search - despite the fact that other, negative stories were easier to find.
I was not blinded. I sees what i sees."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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