Car bomb kills al-Hakim

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Timexwatch
Islamicist and Fundamentalists aren't quite the same in the academic sense, but many fundamentalists shre their objectives with Islamicists.


Interestingly, I was watching *ahem* FOX *ahem* and Marc Ginsberg, one of their more intelligent commentators (and former Ambassador to Morocco) hinted that it could be the work of one of the younger Al-Sadr cronies in an attempt to bump off the older clergy.

Sooner or Later you all will be watching the "Fair and Balanced"

[DanS]

hinted that it could be the work of one of the younger Al-Sadr cronies in an attempt to bump off the older clergy

Quite possible.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Timexwatch
Islamicist and Fundamentalists aren't quite the same in the academic sense, but many fundamentalists shre their objectives with Islamicists.

not really. Not all islamists want a strict usage of Sharia law using the most backward interpretations available. Not all christian rightwingers are the same: ditto for Islamic rightwingers.

[Timexwatch]

Originally posted by DanS


Quite possible.

You'd think whoever did it would've been more subtle i.e. not involving several hundred pounds of explosives in front of a mosque on Friday.

[GePap]

I think the size of the blast argues somewhat against Badr: kill to many and you lose the audience, speically if you do serious damage to the Ali Mosque. The other attempted hits on the al-Hakim's might have been his (since they are direclty targeted).

[DAVOUT]

The size, the place, the time ... Could not it be a revenge, or a warning, after the UN blast.

[Timexwatch]

The method of how it was done would probably indicate which group is responsible. If it was one of those old school "turn the ignition" bombs, it would have to have been a sophisticated group with access to his car and the ability to pack that many explosives in the car. That would probably mean someone with connections and intelligence experience. If it was a just a car in the vicinity pack to the gills, it could be anyones doing, which would be a problem.

I think the size of the blast argues somewhat against Badr: kill to many and you lose the audience, speically if you do serious damage to the Ali Mosque. The other attempted hits on the al-Hakim's might have been his (since they are direclty targeted).

That depends on how intelligent your henchmen are. Would you put it past amateurs to pack too many explosives into a car to do the job?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


Al-Hakim spent 10 years in Iran, the SCIRI was armed by the Iraninas, and if Mohammed himself was not in the governing council is cause the US thought him to close to Iran, but too big to ignore, so lets put in the brother. I seriously doubt the Iranina had diddly to do with this one. If Montezari(spll) get it, maybe, just a slim little chance....

Thus Iran would have had plenty of opportunity to infiltrate SCIRI.

SCIRI has supported the governing council, which Sadr has denounced. Success for the governing council would be a defeat for Iran. Sadr has supported an Iranian style theocracy, Hakim opposed. The Iranian ayatollahs are also threatened by the prestige of the the Najaf Hawza. I have no proof Iran did this, but they certainly stand to have a lot to gain.


"Spy on your friends, they may be your enemies tomorrow" - John LeCarre, "The Honourable Schoolboy"

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
The size, the place, the time ... Could not it be a revenge, or a warning, after the UN blast.

Nope, it's not our style. We bomb from planes not with car bambs.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Timexwatch
That depends on how intelligent your henchmen are. Would you put it past amateurs to pack too many explosives into a car to do the job?

Especially since the last bomb they tried was to small and didn't kill the target. I could totally see one of these losers declaring it would be big enough to kill the target this time and then packing in WAY to much explosives.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Nope, it's not our style. We bomb from planes not with car bambs.

I an not sure that the guys in charge in Bagdad are in the mood to bother about style. And they have plenty of Special Ops available. And they have Israelis friends not far.

[lord of the mark]

a turkish style solution for Iraq is out of the question. The turkish military has a tradition of modernism and nationalism going back to Ataturk, or even before, to the Young Turks. No such tradition in Iraq, and no Kemal Ataturk waiting in the wings. Military rule in Iraq is more likely a formula for corruption, ethnic rivalry, and more disorder.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


I an not sure that the guys in charge in Bagdad are in the mood to bother about style. And they have plenty of Special Ops available. And they have Israelis friends not far.

ah, Hakim, and 90 other muslims were murdered by the JOOS, who also damaged a mosque and did it on a muslim holy day for good measure. I suspect this will be the response out of Iran fairly soon. But we get to see it on 'poly first. Dont i feel privileged.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
The size, the place, the time ... Could not it be a revenge, or a warning, after the UN blast.

why would we kill a shiite leader who supports the governing council???

as i think gepap meant to imply in his initial post - this assasination is BAD news for the US position in Iraq.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
I an not sure that the guys in charge in Bagdad are in the mood to bother about style. And they have plenty of Special Ops available. And they have Israelis friends not far.

If we wanted to assassinate someone I imagine he'd get a bullet to the head and there wouldn't be 94 other dead people. Atleast, that's the way it would go down once you're in control of a country instead of in the beginning stages of an invasion.