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  • #31
    Originally posted by Japher
    That may be true, but the amount of insects that is allowed in "food" is crazy!

    The sun spews out more than a million tons of matter every second!
    That is true, but there are federal guidelines about how much insect matter goes into food before it doesn't pass.

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    • #32
      Nobody on the entire planet can pick up a chair by the bottom of one leg with one hand.

      Try it.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tuberski


        Ummmmm......

        One of the most widely-circulated bits of misinformation to be found on the internet.


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        • #34


          ACK!
          Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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          • #35
            64.8% of all statistics are made up on the spot

            All of the gold that has been mined would fill an 18x18x18 meter cube.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by PLATO
              There are more people alive today than have ever died.
              that's wrong... according to a national geographic atlas I have... there have been an estimated 300 billion humans that have ever lived (homo sapiens)... the total number of people alive today is about 5% of all that have ever lived...
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #37
                And do we count all species of humans, including those that went extinct?
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sava
                  that's wrong... according to a national geographic atlas I have... there have been an estimated 300 billion humans that have ever lived (homo sapiens)... the total number of people alive today is about 5% of all that have ever lived...
                  Well Sava, you are partially correct:

                  How many people have ever lived? Keyfitz's calculation updated
                  (done June 18, 1999)
                  This work was done at the request of Prof. Glen Paige
                  for his new book, "Non-killing Political Science"
                  A simple model of population growth is the exponential model where the population at time t, P(t), is given by Cert for some appropriate constants C and r. This model is broadly accurate, especially when an organism invades a new ecological niche and the environment seems to have infinite capacity for growth. This model accurately describes the initial growth of a bacterial culture in a fresh dish of growth medium, or the human population as it discovered agriculture. More refined models are needed as environmental and predatory constraints impinge, but this model works well with most human populations because many human populations rapidly shift from one environmental disequilibrium to another (and thus present a moving target that the environmental constraints fail to effectively constrain). It is of course never that simple: Black Death in Europe caused populations to drop dramatically for a few centuries.

                  Regardless of how one models P(t), the population at time t, P(t) may be used to estimate the total number of humans that have lived in a given time period. From a time A to a later time B, the integral of P(t) on [A,B] gives the total number of person-years for that time interval. If one has an estimate of the average lifespan, say 25 years as in Keyfitz's work, the number of people who lived from time A to time B is approximately (1/25) of the integral of P(t) on the [A,B].

                  Keyfitz assumed that exponential growth occured in various historical time intervals [A, B], but with possibly different constants C and r for each time interval. He chose C and r to match given values of P(t) at A and B. This requires solving two equations in 2 unknowns:

                  P(A)=C erA
                  P(B)=C erB
                  By standard algebra, P(B)/P(A)=er(B-A) and hence r={Ln[P(B)]-Ln[P(A)]}/(B-A). Once r is known, C is obtained immediately from C=P(A)e-rA. Note that Ln is the natural logarithm, the logarithm to the base e.
                  Keyfitz then integrates Cert on the interval [A,B]. An anti-derivative is (C/r)ert and the definite integral is the anti-derivative at B minus the anti-derivative at A. The total person-years from A to B is (C/r)[erB-erA]. By algebra, this is equal to (1/r)[P(B)-P(A)]. By substituting the value of r described just above,

                  the total person-years from A to B is [P(B)-P(A)](B-A)/{Ln[P(B)]-Ln[P(A)]}.

                  This formula is now applied to a system of time intervals from 1,000,000 BC to the present. The sum of the total person-years for all these intervals gives the total person-years for all human life. By dividing by the average lifespan, one obtains an estimate of how many people have ever lived. The data at ends of intervals are taken from a recent textbook on population, except for the first data point of 2 people at -1,000,000. That data point was proposed by Keyfitz.


                  Year People People-Years Since
                  Previous Data Point
                  -1000,000 2 0

                  -9000 7,500,000 4.91* 1011
                  0 300,000,000 7.14 * 1011
                  1650 507,500,000 6.51 * 1011
                  1750 795,000,000 6.41 * 1010
                  1800 969,000,000 4.40 * 1010
                  1850 1,265,000,000 5.55 * 1010
                  1900 1,656,000,000 7.26 * 1010
                  1950 2,513,000,000 1.027 * 1011
                  1960 3,027,000,000 2.76 * 1010
                  1970 3,678,000,000 3.34 * 1010
                  1980 4,415,000,000 4.04 * 1010
                  1990 5,275,000,000 4.83 * 1010
                  2000 6,199,000,000 5.72 * 1010

                  The total of the entries of the last column is about 2,402 billion person-years (2,402,000,000,000). If one divides by 25 as an estimate of average lifespan, one estimates that 96,100,000,000 people have lived on the earth.
                  Here's the link:



                  In any event, I stand corrected.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MrFun
                    And do we count all species of humans, including those that went extinct?
                    I'll transcribe from the book...

                    During the first two million years of our species' existence, human population grew at a very slow rate, and probably never exceeded 10 million. With the development of agriculture circa 8000 BC, the growth rate began to rise sharply; by the year 1 AD, the world population stood at approximately 250 million.

                    By 1650, the population had doubled to over 550 million, and within only 200 years, it doubled again, reaching almost 1.2 billion by 1850. Each subsequent doubling has taken about half as long as the previous one: 100 years to reach 2.5 billion, and 40 years to reach 5.2 billion.

                    Experts have estimated that today's world population of 5.6 billion represents 5.5% of all the people who have ever lived on Earth. *

                    *Population Today, Population Reference Bureau, Feb 1995
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sava
                      I'll transcribe from the book...

                      During the first two million years of our species' existence, human population grew at a very slow rate, and probably never exceeded 10 million. With the development of agriculture circa 8000 BC, the growth rate began to rise sharply; by the year 1 AD, the world population stood at approximately 250 million.

                      By 1650, the population had doubled to over 550 million, and within only 200 years, it doubled again, reaching almost 1.2 billion by 1850. Each subsequent doubling has taken about half as long as the previous one: 100 years to reach 2.5 billion, and 40 years to reach 5.2 billion.

                      Experts have estimated that today's world population of 5.6 billion represents 5.5% of all the people who have ever lived on Earth. *

                      *Population Today, Population Reference Bureau, Feb 1995
                      ah, ok

                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #41
                        yeah, I was going by memory... but certainly far less than 50%
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by st_swithin
                          ...because gold is the 2nd-most conductive material (just behind platinum) known to man...
                          Quite nerdy, but incorrect.

                          As you can see on this page, the metal with the highest electrical conductivity is silver, follow by copper. Gold is decent, platinum sucks.

                          I would also presume supercoductors have much higher ratings. They have essentially no resistance, thus they approach infinity in conductivity.
                          (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                          (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                          (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by MrFun
                            You're really grossing me out, man.
                            Why?

                            Let me paraphrase Desmond Morris, "It is silly for us to attack insects with insecticides instead of teeth."

                            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                            • #44
                              There has never been an episode of "I Love Lucy" which opens with Ricky saying "Hi honey, I'm home!!"

                              Ants can lift 10 times their own body mass and carry it more than 1,000 times their own body length.
                              -30-

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                              • #45
                                Those calculations are crap. Since homo sapiens have only been around for about 100,000-200,000 years (not a million years).
                                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                                -Bokonon

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