Occupation death toll of U.S. troops equal to that of war

[GePap]

We all know what a huge target for Islamic terrorists wisconsin is.....

[Sava]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Kadaffy learned his lesson.

yeah... don't mess with America too much, and we'll let you be an oppressive, murderous dictator in your own country. I think the Saudi's let him in on the secret on how to de a murderous dictator and not be hated by American leadership.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
But you are missing the point. Have you even bothered to ask why OBL and company hate America? Because of our military presence in Saudi Arabia. Americans generally don't get it. Militant muslims don't want us in their "holy land". The longer we are there, the more they will try to kill us.

They also hate us because of Israel, and because we're infidels. Unless you want to give Israel back to them and become a Muslim.

[GePap]

Originally posted by skywalker
They also hate us because of Israel, and because we're infidels. Unless you want to give Israel back to them and become a Muslim.

They don;t care to make American convert: after all, we will go to hell anyway, no?

[Sava]

Originally posted by skywalker


They also hate us because of Israel, and because we're infidels. Unless you want to give Israel back to them and become a Muslim.

We've been supporting Israel since it's creation... but yet... terrorism on the scale of 9-11 is a recent thing. Sure, they hate Israel, but that isn't enough of a reason for them to have a massive terrorist operation against America. American presence in the "holy land" is the primary fuel for militant Islamic recruitment.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
One big cause of deaths is accidents cleaning weapons and misfires.

I can understand misfires but how do you die while cleaning your rifle? Do you stab yourself in the eye with the cleaning rod?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I can understand misfires but how do you die while cleaning your rifle? Do you stab yourself in the eye with the cleaning rod?

Never rule anything out when dealing with ignorant third world types.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GePap
They don;t care to make American convert: after all, we will go to hell anyway, no?

That's funny. OBL demands we convert to Islam in just about everyone of his tapes.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Oerdin


That's funny. OBL demands we convert to Islam in just about everyone of his tapes.

yeah, but how large would his recruitment pool be if there weren't American planes dropping bombs everywhere?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Libya seems to be all touchy-feely hands offy, lately. The Saudis are two-faced bastards, of course, but it's rather hard to set up training camps there without us knowing about it.

Iran might work, but why would the Iranians pursue a high-risk, no return (to them) strategy like that? They're not nicer fundies, they're smarter fundies, and if they think the US occupation is going to be significantly destabilized, their best strategy is to increase their influence with the Shiite majority, and wait for the situation to fall in their laps. Why should the Iranians run any risk of getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar?

The countries are mostly desert, why would the governments have to be involved?

[Defiant]

"But you are missing the point. Have you even bothered to ask why OBL and company hate America? Because of our military presence in Saudi Arabia. Americans generally don't get it. Militant muslims don't want us in their "holy land". The longer we are there, the more they will try to kill us. I'm not saying we shouldn't spend money on protecting ourselves... but the war in Iraq is a terribly ineffective use of money, resources, and manpower. Still, according to what I hear in the media, less than 10% of cargo in America is inspected. With 90% of cargo going unchecked, it's just a matter of time before a nuke gets sneaked in. But yet, our geniuses in Washington don't want to inspect more cargo because of business opposition to it. Instead, they'd rather go stomping around in someone else's holy land the spend the money to protect Americans at home."

I am not missing the point, Sava. Terrorism goes before '91 when we were in Saudi, BTW, to defend MECCA against Saddam who surely would have gone there next. A bit ironic don't you think, OBL holds us responsible for something we died for to protect, while he is occupying another nation. Almost laughable. The point is, we have always been the infidels and that is because of ignorance in the ME. There are no Democratic countries in the ME, except for Israel, the leaders control the media and money and blame the infidels for their problems. We can't have that, if we were even to come home with all troops we are still a target. We need to bring the ME out of the middle ages and give them democracy so they(the people) of the ME become better off, so will not want to lose what they have gained, by attacking us. Give them something to live and aspire for.
If a nuke goes off in a city, Sava, I believe you will see an anexation of the ME and nobody will stand in our way, I believe we will colonize the ME and in the process just about kill everything in our path and start over. What choices do we have left. Israel is going to end up doing that to Palestine, I don't see any other recourses, that is why I am on Bush's side now, to stop it before it goes futher.

[MrFun]

This thread has been Savaized to death, hasn't it?

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Sava
yeah... don't mess with America too much, and we'll let you be an oppressive, murderous dictator in your own country. I think the Saudi's let him in on the secret on how to de a murderous dictator and not be hated by American leadership.

I was thinking more about getting a bomb in his front door, thus ending his quest for his own Butcher status.
Keep talking though. Your ignorance is entertaining.

[DanS]

Because no one cares about California.

But they have oil there!

[Sava]

I am not missing the point, Sava. Terrorism goes before '91 when we were in Saudi, BTW, to defend MECCA against Saddam who surely would have gone there next. A bit ironic don't you think, OBL holds us responsible for something we died for to protect, while he is occupying another nation. Almost laughable. The point is, we have always been the infidels and that is because of ignorance in the ME. There are no Democratic countries in the ME, except for Israel, the leaders control the media and money and blame the infidels for their problems. We can't have that, if we were even to come home with all troops we are still a target. We need to bring the ME out of the middle ages and give them democracy so they(the people) of the ME become better off, so will not want to lose what they have gained, by attacking us. Give them something to live and aspire for.

but wait, Bush says Al Qaeda and Saddam are friends... and another thing you don't realize... their culture and our culture are incompatible... either we go in an conquer them, destroy their culture and impose ours... or we try to co-exist with them. What we are doing now is a compromise of the two, and it won't work. It will only increase their hatred of us, and more Americans will die in the process. Frankly, I'd be more in support of Bush if he wanted to march armies across the MidEast and conquer them rather than pussyfoot around trying to give Halliburton some profits.

If a nuke goes off in a city, Sava, I believe you will see an anexation of the ME and nobody will stand in our way, I believe we will colonize the ME and in the process just about kill everything in our path and start over. What choices do we have left. Israel is going to end up doing that to Palestine, I don't see any other recourses, that is why I am on Bush's side now, to stop it before it goes futher.

And I don't support Bush because he's ignorant of history, ignorant of the MidEast, ignorant of the causes of terrorism, and pushes a foreign policy that is more about profits for his corporate friends than the security of the American people.