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“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324) -
Huh?Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
So how come all the people you see running amok at G8 meetings and striking blows against oppression by looting a Starbucks are disctinctly white and American or European looking?
Because most people in the G7 + Russia are white. It's not like they have their meetings in the 3rd World. Plus, when you work for a dollar a day, it's hard to save up the thousand bucks for the flight to the US just to protest.
Uh, you don't live in maquiladoras, you work there.
Maybe one of these days I ought to drive around and take photos of some of these local hellholes, too. 
What, because you live in a priveleged section of Mexico, the whole country is nice? Several of my friends worked in the maquila areas, and their description of the place was not pleasant. People using industral waste barrels for collecting drinking water water, open ditches as sewers, cardboard housing, etc. BTW, you should know that maquilas are areas, not just the factories wihin them.
And yeah, you'd better not try to organize anything in FARC territory in Colombia that the FARC doesn't approve of.
Half of all labor organizers in the world that are killed are killed in Columbia. I expect that a very small percentage of them are killed by the FARC. While they certainly aren't my first choice for a revolutionary group to support, they are superior to every other option the average Columbian has.
Where?
The Brazil anti-Davros protests, for example. The Bolivian water anti-privitastion proitests, the unrest in the RoK and Indonesia when their currencies tanked, etc.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Labor protests in the third wolrd are far more vicious than in the first world: heck, seattle was a party compared to what happened in Panama when the gov. moved to repeal labor laws and make it easier for multinaitonals to hire (I didn;t see any police trucks firebombed in Seattle). Or take Bolivia peasants and their protests (how many people die in these "huge" first world scuffles?).
That said, people in the third world prefer work to no work, even work that does not give them any sort of benefits nor environmental protection, and overall they are better off long term as well. Of course, much better than making it easy for multinationals t come in and hire would be to drop trade barriers to goods from the third world. That is where the true hypocrasy lies when it comes to international development.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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The old "Even a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day". Recently used by someone here to describe, quite correctly, FOX "news".Originally posted by Saras
Huh?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Amen, brother GePap. France and CAPOriginally posted by GePap
That said, people in the third world prefer work to no work, even work that does not give them any sort of benefits nor environmental protection, and overall they are better off long term as well. Of course, much better than making it easy for multinationals t come in and hire would be to drop trade barriers to goods from the third world. That is where the true hypocrasy lies when it comes to international development.
Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
The old "Even a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day". Recently used by someone here to describe, quite correctly, FOX "news".
But I was serious abouyt IMF Vilnius mission and the overall job they did to ensure a semblance (and for the last 2-3 years, a reality) of fiscal and monetary stability.Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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Ok, now we need just one other instance.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Easy. Estonia. Even better.Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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Estonia? The IMF played some role wrt the currency board, I think, but else?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Check their budget deficit history. They haven't issued a single bond in Euromarkets until this year and there's no treasury bill market. They managed to grow without fiscal stimulus and grow they DID!
But that's more due to their "Calvinist" mindset than IMF
Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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The maquila decree and it's recent modification regarding services maquilas only applies to the business enterprises themselves. The rest of the public and private property within the maquila zones is subject to the same municipal, state and federal controls as any other property.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Uh, you don't live in maquiladoras, you work there. Maybe one of these days I ought to drive around and take photos of some of these local hellholes, too.
What, because you live in a priveleged section of Mexico, the whole country is nice? Several of my friends worked in the maquila areas, and their description of the place was not pleasant. People using industral waste barrels for collecting drinking water water, open ditches as sewers, cardboard housing, etc. BTW, you should know that maquilas are areas, not just the factories wihin them.
Oh, and "privileged" section of Mexico, lol. We have the "privilege" of being a tax revenue exporter for the rest of the country, coupled with a little political retaliation for being the first state in Mexico to throw off the PRI.
As far as your friends working there, perhaps they could describe how things were so much better in the pre-maquila days.
Which (a) doesn't give numbers, and (b) doesn't get into what else they do in the midst of a de facto multiparty civil war. Given the history of performance of "revolutionary" groups in Latinamerica, I doubt they're superior to much of anything. Not that there seems to be any good options, but being less worse just isn't something I'd endorse.Half of all labor organizers in the world that are killed are killed in Columbia. I expect that a very small percentage of them are killed by the FARC. While they certainly aren't my first choice for a revolutionary group to support, they are superior to every other option the average Columbian has.
And how many of those were "anti-globalisation" protests per se, instead of protests at specific abuses with only indirect connection to globalization. Bolivian anti-water protests. Sure, privatization sucked in that case, but it's always nice for a government with a hyperinflationary history and long-term stagnation to subsidize particular services regardless of it's ability to afford to do so.Where?
The Brazil anti-Davros protests, for example. The Bolivian water anti-privitastion proitests, the unrest in the RoK and Indonesia when their currencies tanked, etc.
The currency issues in the RoK and Indonesia were driven by massive internal political corruption and cronyism, which in and of itself had nothing to do with globalisation or trade.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."Comment
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My allotment of one agreement with Sava per month just got used upOriginally posted by Sava
I don't think these MNC's are as evil as these people say... and most of these protestors are nutbags, but their arguments are quite valid. It's a shame they have to act like dip****s and hurt their own cause.
But if all these foreign peoples are being exploited and treated like slaves, then they should strike and refuse to work... start a labor movement like the US did in the early 20th century. It's just like Democracy... labor reform has to come from the people. And it might be hard for many to realize, but it's the peoples' own damn fault if they allow themselves to be slaves. I'm not going to blame some faceless company for using cheaper labor. If they were forced to use domestic labor, prices would be so much higher that people would be *****ing about high prices. And since Americans aren't willing enough to pay higher prices for their goods, in the end, the consumer is the one to blame.
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In both cases the specific crises were caused by international investors bailing on the local currencies. The protests weren't so much anti-globalization as anti what globalization had just done to them. If these countries hadn't obeyed the IMF, it's unlikely their currencies would have tanked so hard, and the IMF is the whip-master of globalization. Compare and contrast to Malaysia, with all the same problems as the rest of the PacRim, and yet their currncy didn't crash and their recession wasn't as long as their neighbors, because they refused to follow the IMF's "advice."Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
The currency issues in the RoK and Indonesia were driven by massive internal political corruption and cronyism, which in and of itself had nothing to do with globalisation or trade.
As for the performance of revolutionary groups in Latin America, they've certainly had a better record than whomever the U.S. has supported.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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a lot of protestors are naive to what the third world needs. that being said a company will more or less be as evil as u let them be or as they think they can get away w/ in the longterm.
I would support the west tarrifing against rampant corruption and unsafe working conditions. but against simply paying them less.Comment
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