Mexican "Justice"

[Pekka]

Hey, don't piss of the law enforcment! otherwise they'll stop pushing coke to US, and you know what that means.. executives getting antsy, this is economical question as well!

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Oerdin


And maybe Mexico can borrow money from someone else when they're government is bankrupt next time. I figure going backrupt and having whitey bail them out twice in 25 years is enough.

You want money from sugar daddy? Then you have to keep sugar daddy happy.

Pick your own lettuce and clean your own toilets then.
Why not just get rid of unemployment in the sun belt and get some yuppie gringo ass working out in those fields for less money? Get lots of sun, and back to nature, and get paid for it at the same time. What a deal, huh?

Not to mention paying more for all the manufactured products we make for you.

And the bailout came from IMF, due to the effect Mexico's currency crisis had on foreign capital markets. Zedillo paid IMF off in full before he left office, so try again.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by HershOstropoler
You just bailed out your own banks.

The first time (in the 1980s) the Bank of America was on the hook but the second time (in the 1990s) the InterAmericas Development Bank (a quasi government/ nonprofit like the World Bank) was the largest creditor.

The thing I remember most from the second Mexican default were the US bailed them out was the politicians were saying we had to loan Mexico the money or a flood of illegals would rush into the US as MExico slipped in to depression.

[MichaeltheGreat]

See, we give you an excuse for corporate pork, as well.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Maybe the gringos need to get over the notion that the rest of the world should simply bow and scrape at your convenience.

Why? You send people over the border for that express purpose.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Most countries which don't have the death penalty refuse to extradite people to the US if they are facing the death penalty. Mexico is no different in this regard from Canada.

AFAIK, we have no such official policy. However, the US generally does not force our hand in creating such a policy by executing those who we extradite there.

Right now extraditions are decided on a case by case basis by some sort of judicial hearing. The decision whether or not to extradite is based on: sufficient cause (proof that he did it), assurance that he will receive a fair trial, and assurance that he will not be subjected to inhumane treatment. Whether or not our courts will decide that the death penalty is inhumane enough to stop us from extraditing an accused murderer is still an open question, AFAIK.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Oh, and how about US refusing Mexico's extradition request for that drunk jarhead mother****er from a few years ago that pulled a hit and run driving over 70 mph in a residential zone, killing four teenage kids and crippling two more? The US wasn't really interested in that extradition request, so why should Mexico give a **** about yours? What comes around goes around.

Does the US just never extradite any of its military personnel? It seems that way...

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
AFAIK, we have no such official policy. However, the US generally does not force our hand in creating such a policy by executing those who we extradite there.

For Europe, the ECHR has ruled in the Soering case that the US death penalty practice can amount to inhuman and degrading treatment. That would allow for a case by case assessment, but most countries have included clauses into law that explicitly prohibit extradition or deportation to countries where the death penalty may be imposed. It should also be part of the EU law in that area. If the US wants someone extradited, all they have to do is assure not to seek the death penalty.

A murky area is life without parole and the deficiencies regarding fair trial. That has yet to be settled.

[Bereta_Eder]

Does Mexico has the death penalty?

[MichaeltheGreat]

No.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Does the US just never extradite any of its military personnel? It seems that way...

IIRC, it has happened a very few times, but the normal situation is the US investigating or trying it's personnel rather than allowing host countries to do so, when those personnel are based on US facilities in the home country.

In this case, the guy was off duty, was heading back drunk, ran over the kids (dragging one for a block, with another one on his windshield until his body rolled off when the ******* made a turn), then head for the border crossing and crashed a gate to get into the US.

Even though he was "obviously guilty" so that even Johnny Cochrane couldn't get him off, the US pulled the "fair trial" BS and refused to extradite, also doing the "offer" of a military trial.

So it's funny when the US *****es about the same thing done in reverse.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
And the bailout came from IMF, due to the effect Mexico's currency crisis had on foreign capital markets. Zedillo paid IMF off in full before he left office, so try again.

I am 99% sure the money came from the US. I remember Time Magazine had a big article on how Congress passed a bill authorizing the money and they had the Indian Financial Minister saying how lucky Mexico was to be so close to the US that the US had to act as a lender of lasdt resort.

[KrazyHorse]

Wouldn't the US congress have to approve the extra money the IMF needed to cover the loan (as would all the other member states)?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I am 99% sure the money came from the US. I remember Time Magazine had a big article on how Congress passed a bill authorizing the money and they had the Indian Financial Minister saying how lucky Mexico was to be so close to the US that the US had to act as a lender of lasdt resort.

I think the mechanism with US money was that the US (a la Chrysler, and the S&L bailout, and the BNL "agriculture" loans to Iraq) acted as a guarantor of bank loans, but in this case, the loans had already been made by US banks.

One of Ernesto Zedillo's last official acts as President in the year 2000 was to retire 2.7 billion in remaining IMF debt.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Does the US just never extradite any of its military personnel? It seems that way...

It depends if the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) specifies if US personel get tried under local or American law. Up until the late 1980's any US service men in Japan who commits a crime gets tried by the US. This was changed though because there were several high profile cases of Marines getting drunk with local girls and supposedly raping them. The marines & witnesses said the girls were willing enough but then the next day two girls claimed they were raped. The Marines were tried under US law and the marines got off because it was a he said, she said thing. Any way the Japanese press had a field day and the SOFA was changed.