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    BROWN: Four years ago tomorrow, a devoted father name Carlos Vara was shot and killed by his son-in-law at his home in suburban Los Angeles. Tonight, for all we know, he's sitting free watching this program on TV in Mexico. Police both here and there know where he is. He need not fear them. And he is not alone.

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

    BROWN (voice-over): It was late on a spring afternoon four years ago, not far from this gas station just south of downtown Los Angeles.

    (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

    OPERATOR: 911.

    ANNABELLA VARA, VICTIM: Yes. I need help.

    OPERATOR: Where are you?

    VARA: I'm on the street. I'm driving behind my husband. And he has a gun.

    (END AUDIO CLIP)

    BROWN: Annabella Perez was in her car following her husband, Daniel. But from her cell phone, she told police, he suddenly maneuvered in back of her.

    ANNABELLA VARA, VICTIM: He's banging my car. He's on the side of me trying to run me off the road.

    (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

    OPERATOR: Where are you, ma'am?

    VARA: Please hurry. Oh, my God. Hurry. Hurry.

    (END AUDIO CLIP)

    BROWN: That 911 call was transferred to three different police agencies. And by the time squad cars from Southgate Police arrived at the gas station, Daniel Perez, they say, had shot his wife in the head, leaving her for dead. It was three hours later when police finally found him.

    JAN MAURIZI, ASST. DA, LOS ANGELES COUNTY: Daniel Perez was arrested. And he was charged with the attempted murder on Annabella. And the case went through the normal procedures, preliminary hearing. It went to trial rather quickly.

    BROWN: The day before closing arguments, Annabella's father, Carlos Vara, testified that Daniel had telephoned him after the shooting, trying to establish an alibi that would exonerate him.

    That very night, police say, Daniel Perez came to his shot and shot Annabella's father to death. VARA: Daniel entered the house. And my dad pretty much confronted him. And he took like seven bullets, I believe. I'm not sure, but one to the head. That is what killed him. And he died instantly.

    BROWN: The next day, Daniel Perez was convicted in absentia of attempted murder of Annabella and sentenced to life in prison. He was then charged with the murder of Carlos Vara, but he had fled. Police are convinced he went to Mexico to a village north of Mexico City.

    MAURIZI: There is no justice for Annabella right now. It's a perfect example of what happens when you have a double system of justice.

    BROWN: A double system because, even though Mexican authorities know where Daniel Perez is living and even though American authorities know as well, he cannot be extradited. Mexican law prevents it because Daniel Perez was convicted in absentia and is subject to the death penalty in the United States because of the murder of Carlos Vara.

    MAURIZI: At this point in time, we are completely unable to secure his return, to get him back here, so that he can serve the sentence that he was given, so that he can stand trial for the murder of Annabella's father.

    BROWN: And if you think this case is unique, would you be wrong.

    MAURIZI: I know of, just in L.A. County, 150 cases where the fugitives have fled to Mexico, where we have verified that they're in Mexico and actually warrants have been issued for their arrest in Mexico. That doesn't account for what could be thousands of other cases where warrants have been issued and we don't know where those fugitives are.

    BROWN: Mexican officials say nothing will change unless life-in- prison sentences are changed and the death penalty is taken off the table.

    As an alternative, the Mexican government has offered trials in Mexican courts, maximum sentence, 60 years. For Annabella Vara, that's not enough.

    VARA: It's a bigger picture now. It's not just my case. It is changing something that will benefit all of us. So I'm willing to fight for that and for my dad. I know that, if it would have been me that day on April 9, my dad would be sitting here.
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  • #2
    Everyone knows the MExican Justice system is messed up.
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    • #3
      How many divisions would we need to conquer Mexico?
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      • #4
        No need just buy the army

        that's how it works there
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        • #5
          Hell, they've already conquored east LA.
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          • #6
            Send that bounty hunter in to whack him upside the head and drag him back to LA.
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            • #7
              Four years ago tomorrow, a devoted father name Carlos Vara was shot and killed by his son-in-law at his home in suburban Los Angeles. Tonight, for all we know, he's sitting free watching this program on TV in Mexico.
              The way this sentence is constructed amuses me. Had to read it a number of times before it made sense.

              But good for the Mexicans. Just as America wouldn't (I hope) extradite someone to a country where they would face torture, so it's praiseworthy of Mexico to stand up for what it believes in. If this victim's family thinks sixty years in prison (Mexican prison, no less!) isn't enough for the murderer, then they have their own problems.
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              • #8
                Most countries which don't have the death penalty refuse to extradite people to the US if they are facing the death penalty. Mexico is no different in this regard from Canada or France or Germany or Great Britain.
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                • #9
                  "Mexican officials say nothing will change unless life-in- prison sentences are changed and the death penalty is taken off the table.

                  As an alternative, the Mexican government has offered trials in Mexican courts, maximum sentence, 60 years."

                  And this is a problem of Mexico's legal system how?
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #10
                    I wonder which is worse.. 60 years in Mexican prison being a punk and not some kind of drug lord, or life in US jail, or even DP?

                    but sure this is common practice.. we don't extradite our own people very easily to any country. We wouldn't give our citizens to stand in trial in another country where death penalty is an option. I think most countries without DP do this. Naturally problems come in the US, when they know they can just go for the border and be free... so that's a problem for sure. I don't have anything to say to this, except that I don't think this is a problem in Mexican justice, it is common everywhere.
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                    • #11
                      You think you won't be a punk in a US jail?

                      Anyway, Mexican jails are worse. US prisons tend to be more sanitary.
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                      • #12
                        IIRC, the Mexican constitution forbids extradition of anyone subject to the DP, although it may just be Federal law.

                        Given that all California would do with him is sentence to LWOP in a death row cell, until some governor acknowledges the political reality that Calfornia ain't gonna ever tolerate out-Texasing Texas and commutes the majority of the DP cases sitting, it's rather dumbassed to insist for political purposes on an extradition request that you know is forbidden as a matter of law.

                        Especially when the alternative is 60 years in a Mexican prison.

                        Oh, and how about US refusing Mexico's extradition request for that drunk jarhead mother****er from a few years ago that pulled a hit and run driving over 70 mph in a residential zone, killing four teenage kids and crippling two more? The US wasn't really interested in that extradition request, so why should Mexico give a **** about yours? What comes around goes around.

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                        • #13
                          No? My point was that I think Mexican jails are even worse, and because you're not some kind of drug lord, you don't get any special treatment from the staff. I wasn't speaking about other inmates.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
                            Maybe the gringos need to get over the notion that the rest of the world should simply bow and scrape at your convenience.
                            And maybe Mexico can borrow money from someone else when they're government is bankrupt next time. I figure going backrupt and having whitey bail them out twice in 25 years is enough.

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                            • #15
                              You just bailed out your own banks.
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