Tweet
Originally posted by Jon Miller
last thursday
didn't you read the announcement?
last thursday
didn't you read the announcement?
-
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis -
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Who sez they wrote them? 
Comment
-
Now that the protestant faith is sufficiently installed, there is no need to reinvent it deeply. It suffers from a lack of evolution similar to about any rusted organisation or culture (but to a smaller extent than the catholic church, since the many protestant sects bring in some dynamism)Originally posted by chegitz guevara
What I find more curious is why the news discoveries haven't lead to a sea-change in Protestantism."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
-
Luke being one of the 12 is not in any Bible I have ever readOriginally posted by The diplomat
Mark, John, Luke and Matthew were among the 12 disciples that followed Jesus. They would have seen what Jesus said and did.
Jon MillerJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.Comment
-
True. Luke was greek.Comment
-
One thing that puzzles me is why Christian fundies rather advocates "an eye for an eye" than "turn the other cheek". Don't they believe in Jesus? Are they actually Jews in disguise?So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!Comment
-
First, there is the discovery in Egypt of the Rylands papyrus fragment containing some verses of John 18. The fragments were dated to about 135 AD. So, John was definitely not written after 135 AD. Furthermore, it would have taken several decades for the gospel to be copied and circulated as fart as Egypt. So, the Gospel must have been written several decades before 135 AD.Originally posted by Wernazuma III
The diplomat: On what are your assumptions based? I have a table, where John's evangelium is dated around 100AD
Furthermore, John's Gospel was circulated among the Early Churches circa 90 AD. Again, it would take time to copy and circulate the gospel among the various churches. Obviously, we don't have an exact date, but I think it makes sense that it was written before 100 AD.
Acts was probably written before 70 AD, since it does not mention the destruction of Jerusalem nor the burning or Rome, nor Paul's martyrdom.
We know from Acts 1:1, that the Gospel of Luke and Acts were both written by the same person and that Acts was written after Luke. Therefore, if Acts was written circa 70 AD, and Luke was written before Acts, then Luke must have been written before 70 AD.
From Acts, we know that Luke was a traveling companion of Paul, therefore he lived at the same time as Paul did. This would place the Gospel of Luke and Acts, at the same time period as Paul's ministry. So mid 1st century makes sense.
Lastly, Luke 1:1-4 explains that the Gospel is not an eye witness account but a reconstruction based on testimony and previous writtings. Therefore, the other Gospels were undoubtly written before Luke, or he would have had nothing to base his Gospel on. If Luke was written at the time of Paul's ministry, and Luke was based on the other Gospels, then the other Gospels were probably written mid 1st century AD.
The bottom line is that we can't ever know exact dates. But I think it makes sense that the Gospels were written around 60-70 AD.'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"Comment
-
Sorry. I checked my Bible. Luke 1:1-4 says that he was not an eye witness. It's been awhile since I read Luke, everybody can make mistakes.Originally posted by Jon Miller
Luke being one of the 12 is not in any Bible I have ever read
Jon MillerLast edited by The diplomat; August 20, 2003, 15:52.'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"Comment
-
Do you have any proof that they didn't?Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Who sez they wrote them?'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"Comment
-
Then why do we believe it?Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
-
I don't need to prove that they weren't. There's simply no proof that they were.Originally posted by The diplomat
Do you have any proof that they didn't?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
-
The other Gospel authors were eye witnesses.Originally posted by Lorizael
Then why do we believe it?'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"Comment
-
What makes Luke's gospels more legitimate than other gospels that have been left out ?Originally posted by The diplomat
The other Gospel authors were eye witnesses."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
-
The problem with the Catholic Church, or rather what Protestants saw as being the problem with the Catholic Church, was not that the Catholics accepted the whole Bible. The problem was that the Catholics went beyond the Bible allowing the Pope to create new doctrine that was necessarily or even remotely based on Scripture.
The idea thus was to get back to Scripture and ignore the idea of any new doctrine coming into play (unless somehow handed down by the Lord himself). Also, it was a matter of interpretation as to just what some of the finer points of the Bible entailed.Dom Pedro II - 2nd and last Emperor of the Empire of Brazil (1831 - 1889).
I truly believe that America is the world's second chance. I only hope we get a third...Comment
-
According to whom?Originally posted by The diplomat
The other Gospel authors were eye witnesses.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
Comment