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  • #46
    Hersh, et al.

    I must confess to a slight bit of duplicity with the earlier posts, and my reasons for doing so will be made clear below….

    There’s a certain….comfortable predictability about ‘poly in general, and the OT in particular, and that is, as soon as anyone makes ANY sort of statement, you can rest assured that someone will come along to refute it.

    I could post that the sky was blue, and before many minutes had passed, as sure as I am sitting here typing now, someone would crawl out of some corner of ‘poly’s OT to post a contrary statement.

    Every time. Guaranteed.

    When I first saw the topic, it had sunk to page four, and….that was a pity, cos it’s a good topic.

    I think, given the number of colorful Cap/Com debates I’ve participated in, and my positions IN those debates, and given the number of times I’ve gone rounds with DF and others about the subject of taxation, that my position is fairly clear, and in support of our current system, so….I decided it’d be fun to play Devil’s Advocate…see things from the other team’s perspective.

    Trouble was, most of the mainstream stuff I was finding on the ‘net was decidedly NOT in favor of their arguments, so I had to go further afield to….shall we say, more “libertarian” oriented sites.

    Came across a BEAUTY of a site, hawking a “kit” which purported to legally “break the paper chains” that the IRS has us all by the short and curly’s with, and figured it’d be fun to post here to see the reaction and response from “my side,” because I do not have a legal background, and though the essay in question didn’t sit right with my brain, I could not say why….I’m happy to report that ‘poly’s predictability worked exactly as hoped, and I got my answer….

    I’m 100% certain you’ll have a field day with the essay as a whole, Hersh, and you’ll find the link to it (complete with its eventual sales pitch) below….enjoy, and thank you, 'poly OT...a marvellous and successful experiment!



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    • #47
      I assumed you were quoting some site, but thought you really believed waht you found there. Bastard.

      Btw, that's a true jewel. "Individual sovereign citizens"
      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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      • #48
        The cutest part that is that the moron running the site claims that:

        The 14th amendment created a citizenship of the United States (Corporate U.S. - Federal Government), a separate and distinctly different citizenship. Now the Federal government could extend a citizenship and according to the Supreme court it is only necessary that one be born or naturalized in the United States to be a Federal Citizen.


        apparently based on this language:

        Amendment XIV

        Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


        Note the term "citizens of the United States" - this funky concept that was just created in the 14th Amendment in the 1860's, riiiiiiiight?

        The same term "citizen of the United States" (maybe there's a quibble that in the singular form applied to a single "person" it magically has a different meaning from the plural when applied to "all persons"

        From Article 1, Section 2: "No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen."

        From Article 2, Section 1: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;"

        So the same exact concept of national citizenship, using the same exact words, appears twice in the original body of the Constitution, ratified in 1787.
        When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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        • #49
          Nahhh Hersh....I may sometimes (often?) take curious and unusual routes to where I'm going, but even when it looks like I'm bumbling, I usually have a plan...

          -=Vel=-
          The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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