Web design: frames or no frames?

[geeslaka]

It works if I click go but not if I hit enter.(it doesnt' work at all if I hit my chair)

[Hueij]

Doesn't work for me (Opera)

[Urban Ranger]

Doesn't work for me, either.

[Immortal Wombat]

How weird. it goes into some poly code routine if you press enter. The go button should work at least in IE. Probably I'd have to set up a function outside the form to make it completely correct.

Lets see now... Input a valid thread ID into this one, and either enter or the button should load the thread.

Enter threadID

[Urban Ranger]

Nope.

When I click on the button nothing happens. When I press <enter> I got this error message:

Database error in vBulletin: Invalid SQL: SELECT forumid FROM thread where threadid=deadwombats
mysql error: Unknown column 'deadwombats' in 'where clause'
mysql error number: 1054
Date: Monday 11th of August 2003 11:01:50 AM
Script: /forums/showthread.php?threadid=deadwombats
Referer: [url]http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2253728[/url]

[Immortal Wombat]

deadwombats perhaps isn't a valid thread ID.

[mrmitchell]

IW's second box (threadid) works fine for me.

http://www.google.com in the first one directed me to some "web1000" ****. Augh.

[geeslaka]

IW's second box works fine for me.

[chequita guevara]

You can get around the file size issue by making common parts of the navigation JavaScript includes. External scripts are only loaded once, and reside in memory thereafter.

Don't listen to St. Leo. Client-side includes are the way to go.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
http://www.google.com in the first one directed me to some "web1000" ****. Augh.

you don't need the http://

[mrmitchell]

Well, without it www.google.com I get the invalid thread specified error.

[Adagio]

Back to topic:

I have seen way too many sites which could defently use the use of frames. Frames makes it easy (and logical) to find around the site, though few sites would be worse if they use frames (Like Apolyton... I can't see no reason why Apolyton should have frames)

But on the other hand: If you're going to use frames, be sure to make them useable... I have seen tons of sites which uses frames, but in the ugliest way possible (e.g. the menu uses 50% of the window)


If you know how to use frames: Use 'em
If you don't: Learn it

[Atahualpa]

I use SSI to build up navigation and content. Works great.

Nevertheless I use a lot of nested tables and transparent gifs for placing.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by ADG
I have seen way too many sites which could defently use the use of frames. Frames makes it easy (and logical) to find around the site, though few sites would be worse if they use frames (Like Apolyton... I can't see no reason why Apolyton should have frames)

Personally, I have never seen any websites where frames actually improve the design and navigation.

For starters, it screws up bookmarking and navigation.

[St Leo]

I use SSI at my new site. Works like a charm.