Liberalism

[Q Classic]

you're a traitor, elijah.

why don't you go back to cuba. the next boat leaves at 1.

[Whaleboy]

you're a traitor, elijah

What did I do now??

why don't you go back to cuba. the next boat leaves at 1

Ummm... Atlantic???

[Imran Siddiqui]

Conservatism: Bush-like (perhaps neocon is a better term).

How can NeoConservatism be the same as Conservatism? You'd assume the 'Neo' to indicate something new, right? Furthermore, NeoConservatism is primarily a foreign policy view, which was originally brought up by former Trotskyists.

[Whaleboy]

Well, original conservatism is most fundamentally the idea the a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush . Its quite fascinating to examine the concepts people assume to be discrete, because they are all based on interweaving philosophies, so in that sense, its impossible to define something concrete, however, I would say my article is most about neoconservatism that Imran describes - foreign policies, but not just that.

[Q Classic]

elijah, you're just a traitor. i don't have time to explain it to you, you putrid diseased commie punk-assed liberal scumbucket traitor.

[Odin]

European Liberalism is the same thing as American Libertarianism, right?

[Maniac]

More or less. Libertarianism is IMHO more extreme though. And while libertarianism refers to both a political-ethical and economical doctrine, at least here in Belgium it mainly refers to an economical doctrine. As a consequence there are people who have very conservative morals but still call themselves liberal.

[Whaleboy]

elijah, you're just a traitor. i don't have time to explain it to you, you putrid diseased commie punk-assed liberal scumbucket traitor.

I think I've just been Fezzed!!

I consider liberalism to be basically libertarianism with a foreign policy and (according to some interpretations I dont share) an economic policy.

For example, I consider myself liberal, libertarian, and left of centre, yet I believe in a completely free market up to the Mill Limit.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The diplomat
You are completely insulting the families of the victims

Don't think you can speak for them. The families of the victims have ben speaking out, and from what I've heard, they are opposed to the policies of the Phoney Presidency.

[Whaleboy]

[DinoDoc]

Which ones? The attack on Afghanistan or Iraq?

[Whaleboy]

Considering that they have the same validity has those of 9/11, it hardly matters. However, since they are both in agreement, it would seem to support my position!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Which ones? The attack on Afghanistan or Iraq?

To whom was this question directed?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
To whom was this question directed?

The post only makes since if I'm responding to you rather than elijah spam post that was a few seconds faster than mine.

[GePap]

No one can speak for "the families": there were 3000 different families involved, each of which will have a different opinion form another. And when it comes to the reaction of the US to terrorism, their opinions don;t matter an iota more than those of the millions of families who did not have people die on 9/11. Tragedy does not make you smarter, better, or more enlightened, or even more worthy of a voice.

I have to agree with Ned that Liberalism and conservatism are a bit more issue related than huge categories. NeoCons are not the same as Rush limbaugh, and they certainly are not in the same class as the diplomat. They used 9/11 as an excuse, but I doubt they have the same ideas as dip. on the matter. In essence, they are trying to set about new ocnditions by which they can pre-empt the growth of new terror: that is the point of trying to install a pro-US system in Iraq which they think will lead to reform in the whole area. Where neo-cons (most of which grew up as liberals) and liberals is their view on what is the best method to get to reform, with neo-cons thinking force is a viable and mighty effective option.