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  • Originally posted by LDiCesare

    HAha, you never threw, did you?
    Here's a typical half of a hooker match (the other being scrums, which I can't discuss in a single post, and Havak would probably have more to say):

    Beginning of the game. After the warm up (one ruck), a back kicks the ball out. Your turn to throw. Your locks suddenly look small, while the opponent locks look like they are giants. Despite your telling your mates a nice thing like "Abnegation 43 27 89", only the first jumper, the one you won't throw the ball to, looks like he's ready to jump. The referee looks nervous, your scrum half is shouting silly things at you the way he usually does.
    You throw.
    Sh*t! Not straight. There has been a sudden blast of wind. The ball nicely reaches the opponent second jumper, and the referee doesn't think it is worth whistling despite the obviously not straight throw in the bad direction.
    You swear heavily and charge the maul immediately, hoping to get the ball back, but not really believing you will. You never do, after all.

    Two scrums later.
    This time it's one of your own backs who kicked the ball. You stay near the hooker, looking menacingly at the opponent prop who's busy preparing himself to lift a 'quintal' (100kg.) of second row meat. The ball flies. Obviously right into the hand of the said second row. Obviously not straight, but it being in the same direction as the last time, the wind blowing and the fact it doesn't show as much on a short lineout as when you throw far, or maybe because the referee is blind (I mean, he penalized your team when the opponent prop fell and collapsed the scrum last time!), he doesn't whistle. You charge the scrummy as soon as the ball gets out, but the weasel manages to get rid of it before you reach him, and the fly half is already kicking.

    Now your turn to throw. The opponent first jumper obviously got the ball only because it wasn't straight. So you try again, "Rugby 79 99 21". Throw. Nice throw in the middle. For less than half of a second, you feel happy with yourself. Then you realise that the opponent jumper managed to jump in front of your own lock, and get the ball.
    Sh*t. This one is lost, but only because they've got a better jumper in front. You charge the maul, noting for later that you should throw to the second jumper, because their first lock is too good.

    Three scrums later.
    Now your pack managed to push a maul out of the field, and apparently the opponent were holding the ball at the time. You throw on the second jumper. The ball flies nicely, the jumper jumps well, but the flanker who's supposed to lift him seems to suffer from a brain fade. When the ball reaches the place where the jumper was one fraction of a second ago, the lock has already fallen down, and the opponent seizes the ball. Damn flankers. Because they have been running along the pitch, they pretend they are exhausted and don't listen to the combination.

    One scrum later.
    This time, the opponent lock throws obviously not straight into the hands of his second jumper. The referee warns us that next time, he'll whistle.

    Two scrums later.
    Okay, so this time the referee used the whistle thing. Problem is, it was against you, not the opponent. " I had warned you to throw straight", said he. Nope, he warned them. Looking at the captain, you think it may not be a good idea to tell the ref what you think.

    They kicked for a lineout, so they throw. Our second jumper catches the ball in a rare display of coordination between his lifters and him. Unfortunately, the ref whistles again because your first jumper pushed his vis-a-vis and prevented him from jumping. The fact that the ball flew more than one meter above his outstretched arms, and the fact that the opponent first jumper clearly didn't even try lifting his heavy frame from the pitch, doesn't matter.

    After a few scrums and a pause in which the teams change sides, you get to throw again. This time, everything works well. The thrower (you) throws straight. The second jumper jumps high, his lifters lift him. Even more surprising, he doesn't get pushed or pulled while in the air, and the forwards manage to create a nice maul. This usually happens once or twice in a good match. You try very hard to remember this experience in order to be able to talk about it while sipping some Bowmore after the match.

    The rest of the match is more of the same, except for the last lineout I depicted, which, as I mentioned, only happens once or twice for your side in a match, but much more often for the other side.


    Havak talk about the finer points of scrums? What could he have to say apart from, "Ouch, not the nuts again!".
    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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    • You would be surprised.

      I must try to cacth up later - doubly important as I'm off next week and the first France game is upon us before I return.

      There seems to be a conspiracy though - every time I get five minutes to post the site seems to be down!
      It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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      • Originally posted by Havak
        There seems to be a conspiracy though - every time I get five minutes to post the site seems to be down!
        It's been down for an extended period every day this week. Their new server is an unmitigated disaster.
        " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
        "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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        • Top stuff LDiCesare! I enjoyed reading that!

          I haven't managed to properly catch up either since the boards have been down, but I notice that the NZ forwards are still getting written off, even though they've been improving steadly throughout the season. Well here is something I found on Amazon.com.

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          • Originally posted by Andydog
            I notice that the NZ forwards are still getting written off, even though they've been improving steadly throughout the season.
            Not the last two weeks anyway.

            Well here is something I found on Amazon.com.
            Great copy of Amazon. Some people obviously have too much time on their hands.
            " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
            "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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            • The following is cherry picked from several days worth of posts.

              I suspect Vaughan has to be one of the worst fieldsmen ever to captain a side.
              Well he is English you know.

              The problem for me is that I've backed the ABs to win the WRC. On last night's effort, the England forwards will murder the AB forwards.
              Strewth Finbar – what an admission.

              The ABs persisted with the intentional fouls, but the ref chickened out.
              The ABs not playing it fair all the way through – I am utterly shocked.

              That means Spencer or whoever is putting across the kicks needs to strike at or about 75%, and we must win 90% or better of our own ball in the lineouts. Neither of those things occurred on Saturday, but having said that it was still an admirable win!
              Finbar was right – you pretty much nailed it all. It’s hard to see our forwards playing so poorly against you a second time – and we will pressure the line out. Beyond Jack the line out doesn’t have any particularly secure receivers for you. Having said that Thompson may throw some of our ball straight to you.

              One factor, though, to bear in mind. The weather. The WRC will start in warm-ish conditions, and, by the time of the final, it should be very warm. Ageing forwards beware.
              We say “Bring it on”. Unseasonal rain that is.

              Translation = by definition, an England Second Team.
              Oh absolutely. Third string in some areas in fact. But still a decent side. Surprised you haven’t mentioned the new caps – one of which not having been born in England…

              But don't, for one moment, think that such blatant sucking up changes the fact that it's a Second XV taking on Wales!
              As if I would!

              I’m trying to work out why the Wales game is on Sky incidentally. Still that means Fox affiliates may show it worldwide…yeah right.

              I also think the hooker is a talent. That aside, I think they're lacking in the front row and engine room.
              In the loose perhaps – but against our meat grinder?

              IMO the AB will learn the lesson the hard way. Rugby is a game where you have forwards and backs (aka runners), Rugby is not meant to be played with 15 runners.
              Patience mon ami – the IRB is no longer loaded with SH heretics and we are slowly getting our beautiful game returned to us.

              Roll on the crack down on offside – we can revert to not using it but the ABs will be screwed.

              It's been down for an extended period every day this week. Their new server is an unmitigated disaster.
              It does rather seem that way.

              Terrific link Andydog. Guaranteed to wind up Wallabies.
              Why are the AB forwards drawing heat – because they remain deficient in crucial areas I would suggest. The Kiwis posting here are pretty objective but you only need to check our Planet Rugby and the like to find umpteen carried away AB fans already trying to give them the RWC.

              Much has been made of our last win over the ABs being when the ABs were rusty – but here is the thing - Finbar was wrong when he said we couldn’t improve much on that – Wilko and all our forwards were poor that day by their standards and it’s unlikely to happen again. I refuse to discuss backs on the grounds that it may not flatter us in the comparison.
              It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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              • Originally posted by Havak
                Strewth Finbar – what an admission.
                Calling it as I see it, as always.

                We say “Bring it on”. Unseasonal rain that is.
                England playing in Brisbane in November should be fun. They will absolutely melt.
                " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                • You always call it as you see it Finbar - that doesn't mean you can't still shock me with it on occassion.

                  It will be a huge test for the boys - were this RWC in 'Wales' this time I would have us favourites by miles but I'm guessing Brissy will suit them lads from North-north- north New Zealand better than us.
                  It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt

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                  • Originally posted by Havak
                    You always call it as you see it Finbar - that doesn't mean you can't still shock me with it on occassion.
                    Shock you? Don't forget I backed these bastards before I discovered their forwards weren't the bees' knees!

                    It will be a huge test for the boys - were this RWC in 'Wales' this time I would have us favourites by miles but I'm guessing Brissy will suit them lads from North-north- north New Zealand better than us.
                    Mmmm. Well, there is a team that has won two WRCs, both in foreign climes, but you've always dismissed them as lucky.

                    And the site was down again this morning. That's every day this week between 8am and about 11am (my time), and usually longer.
                    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                    • Originally posted by finbar
                      I heard him talking about a wonderful expression the locals had, something about the players being inspired by the sound of the local church bells ringing. "Something ... la cloche .... " Are you familiar with the expression? What is it exactly?
                      Was it a reference to the "esprit de clocher", the "spirit of the church tower"? The "esprit de clocher" is a local chauvinism generally linked to one's hometown or natal area. We also speak about the "church tower rivalries", the "rivalités de clocher", to describe the rivalries between close towns or villages.

                      As far as Rugby is concerned there are obvious "rivalités de clocher" between Toulouse and Colomiers, Agen and Castres.


                      There are many other colloquialisms linked to the bells:
                      - "Sonner les cloches", which could be translated as "to ring the bells to someone". It means severely reprimanding someone,
                      - "N'entendre qu'un son de cloche", "to hear only one bell's ring", means to hear only one opinion,
                      - "Ce ne sera pas le même son de cloche", "this will not be the same bell's ring", means there will be a different opinion expressed or a situation very different in the future. Ex 1: "The Stade Toulousain has won its game at home but this will not be the same bell's ring at Agen". Ex 2: "If you ask Finbar to tell you the full story I am sure it won't be the same bell's ring",
                      - "A la cloche de bois", "to the wooden bell", means "secretly",
                      - "Etre cloche", "to be bell", describes a clumsy and gullible person,
                      - "la cloche", "the bell", describes the state of the tramps we sometimes name the "clochards" or the "Clodos" in slang.


                      Do you find here what the [EDIT]over-rated self indulgent journalist who once played for the Wallabies[/EDIT] was talking about?
                      Last edited by Tamerlin; August 21, 2003, 22:06.
                      "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                      • Originally posted by Tamerlin


                        Was it a reference to the "esprit de clocher", the "spirit of the church tower"? The "esprit de clocher" is a local chauvinism generally linked to one's hometown or natal area. We also speak about the "church tower rivalries", the "rivalités de clocher", to describe the rivalries between close towns or villages.

                        As far as Rugby is concerned there are obvious "rivalités de clocher" between Toulouse and Colomiers, Agen and Castres.

                        Is it what your friend was talking about?
                        Not my friend, an over-rated and self-indulgent journalist who once played for the Wallabies! But yes, it was esprit de clocher. He described it pretty much as you did. It's a wonderful expression and notion. Actually, he also put it forward as a reason why Les Grenouilles don't play as well away from home as they do at home. But then he's famous for being an idiot.

                        Edit. Oh, and why isn't there an article in front of clocher? Why isn't it du clocher? Or is it idiomatic?

                        A-ha! I think I've just found why! My dictionary says de clocher translates as "parochial". So de clocher is a stand alone expression, not, in this context, part of a possessive case.
                        Last edited by finbar; August 21, 2003, 21:47.
                        " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                        "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                        • Though my first attempt was the good one I have added many colloquialisms to my previous post...
                          "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                          • Originally posted by finbar
                            Not my friend, an over-rated and self-indulgent journalist who once played for the Wallabies!... famous for being an idiot.
                            Sorry for this terrible mistake, I have edited my post so that this man can not be misrepresented as a friend of yours.

                            A-ha! I think I've just found why! My dictionary says de clocher translates as "parochial". So de clocher is a stand alone expression, not, in this context, part of a possessive case.
                            I could have explained it myself...
                            "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill

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                            • Originally posted by Tamerlin


                              Do you find here what the [EDIT]over-rated self indulgent journalist who once played for the Wallabies[/EDIT] was talking about?
                              " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                              "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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                              • Originally posted by Tamerlin
                                Though my first attempt was the good one I have added many colloquialisms to my previous post...
                                Gee, les grenouilles are fond of a bell, aren't they?
                                " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                                "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

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