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It would be good to see what% of US voters place economic issues first and what % social issues.
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It's interesting though, considering that (AFAIK) most European countries have stricter laws considering abortion than the States.I still cannot understand how the US, a presumably modern country, can still be that backwards about issues like creationism and abortion. In Europe, anti-abortionists and creationists are extremely marginal and considered as loonies or monsters by the general public. And rightly so"Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
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I think it changes quite a bit, depending on the mood in the country at the moment people are voting or answering the poll.It would be good to see what% of US voters place economic issues first and what % social issues.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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This is very possible, and we have our own haven of backwardness (Ireland) in the EU. However, in my experience, the European people are not hostile to abortion except in a tiny minority. I cannot imagine an abortion debate in Europe similar as to what I see on 'Poly.Originally posted by Stefu
It's interesting though, considering that (AFAIK) most European countries have stricter laws considering abortion than the States."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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Abortion and other social, ethical, and personal rights issues are worth fighting about and therefore we fight about them. I can't answer to why Europe doesn't fight about such important stuff, if they don't.
But really, it depends on where you live in Europe as to whether it is an issue. In some parts of Europe, it is very much an issue.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Labeling an opposing position as backward is pretty juvenile.our own haven of backwardness (Ireland) in the EUI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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What happened ? I have no idea as to why the abortion debate was radicalized in the US.Originally posted by DinoDoc
That's what happens when Courts step into areas they shouldn't. It only serves to radicalize the debate."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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That's what happens when you don't give any form of legitimacy to the opposing position in question. To me, the opposition to abortion is objectively backwards, just like slavery and torture: a sad thing that has to be get rid of for the progress of mankind.Originally posted by DanS
Labeling an opposing position as backward is pretty juvenile."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Well, many here in the States, on these boards, and yes, even in Europe, would think that your position is intolerant of opposing views.To me, the opposition to abortion is objectively backwards, just like slavery and torture: a sad thing that has to be get rid of for the progress of mankind.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I am pretty tolerant on most issues, but I admit I am wholly intolerant when it comes to abortion. Maybe because I actually think more of the people's daily condition than of holier-than-thou principles.Originally posted by DanS
Well, many here in the States, on these boards, and yes, even in Europe, would think that your position is intolerant of opposing views.
I am intolerant as well when it comes to torture and slavery. Is that wrong ?"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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"Maybe because I actually think more of the people's daily condition than of holier-than-thou principles."
Such as killing being wrong?
Hey Spiffor, whatever happened to France as eldest daughter of the Church? I know Europe is very liberal but I would have thought in a country in which the population is overwhelmingly Catholic at least in name there would be some opposition. Has the Christian religion died out in France completely? If so, how do this state of affairs come about?"I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer
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Maybe. But I doubt it.Maybe because I actually think more of the people's daily condition than of holier-than-thou principles.
Even though I am against abortion, pro-choicers have some very valid points to back up their position. Such is not the case with slavery.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It died in 1905 when the State divorced energically from the Church. It was a big commotion because of the traditional involvement of the Church in the French social life, and traces of this commotion can still be found today. That's why any debate about the role of the Church in politics is much more passionate in France than in other countries (that's also why we have so much trouble dealing with Islamic scarf at school).Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Hey Spiffor, whatever happened to France as eldest daughter of the Church?
Edit: I got your PM and answered. Enjoy !
Last edited by Spiffor; August 3, 2003, 20:37."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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