Hispanics tend to support Bush, tax cuts, and morality...

[Solly]

Anti-abortion views are still common in Europe you fool.

[Al B. Sure!]

i think it's fair to say that most americans see europeans as loonies or monsters

[DanS]

the republican party really needs to emphasize moral conservatism a bit more and back off the pro-business stance a bit...

No can do. There is a broad coalition in the Republican party of social conservatives + pro-business (free trade, low regulation, etc.). What you propose is something of a Buchanan Republican party. No thanks.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Boddington's
Anti-abortion views are still common in Europe you fool.

In Ireland sure, and to some extent in Spain. Otherwise, anti-abortion views are very marginal

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
i think it's fair to say that most americans see europeans as loonies or monsters

Feel the love, bro

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Forcing women to have unwanted kids is definitely feudal in my book

I still cannot understand how the US, a presumably modern country, can still be that backwards about issues like creationism and abortion. In Europe, anti-abortionists and creationists are extremely marginal and considered as loonies or monsters by the general public. And rightly so

oh so we forced the women to get pregnant? yah... I'm actually rather torn on the issue. but u know there is a concept in some parts of the world, its called responsibility for ur actions. sometimes ppl find it enlightening.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by yavoon
oh so we forced the women to get pregnant?

Out of curiousity ... would you be in favour of giving women the option to have an abortion if they become pregnant after being raped?

[yavoon]

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet


Out of curiousity ... would you be in favour of giving women the option to have an abortion if they become pregnant after being raped?

I'm actually marginally in favor of abortion in general. that being said. if we lived in a better society it'd be easy. no abortions.

[Al B. Sure!]

DanS:

a populist republican party would get the majority of black and hispanic votes... with that, we'd have a repeat of the second half of 19th century when nearly every president was republican and congress was dominated by republicans. for the sake of the GOP, it needs to become more populistic.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by yavoon
oh so we forced the women to get pregnant?

Except for the obvious rape issue, pregnency can be accidental. Whether the girl forgot to take the pill that night (or cannot afford the pill outright), whether the condom was defect, whether the girl was led to accept unprotected sex by a manipulative guy (this is not rape proper), whether the RU486 pill doesn't worl, all of these elements can lead a girl to be pregnant when she didn't mean to.

I infinitely prefer contraception over abortion. All the aborting girls I know have been shocked by the experiment, and I try hard to avoid such a terrible time to my girlfriend.
However, when the pregnancy is there and the choice is between ruining two lives or performing an abortion, I don't hesitate: Destroy the few cells before it becomes a fully suffering person.

[Solly]

Edited by Ming... playing childish games to get around the censor will earn you a restriction if you try that crap again.

And I would advise you check your PM's... the clock is ticking.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Except for the obvious rape issue, pregnency can be accidental. Whether the girl forgot to take the pill that night (or cannot afford the pill outright), whether the condom was defect, whether the girl was led to accept unprotected sex by a manipulative guy (this is not rape proper), whether the RU486 pill doesn't worl, all of these elements can lead a girl to be pregnant when she didn't mean to.

I infinitely prefer contraception over abortion. All the aborting girls I know have been shocked by the experiment, and I try hard to avoid such a terrible time to my girlfriend.
However, when the pregnancy is there and the choice is between ruining two lives or performing an abortion, I don't hesitate: Destroy the few cells before it becomes a fully suffering person.

yes refer to my other post. in my morality as an adult, one accepts the consequences of ones actions. I know in socialism this isn't such a big deal. but it is to me. u can't morally pass off ur mistake(or ur misfortune) on another human being.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
For the sake of the GOP, it needs to become more populistic.

Who'll be pro-business then ?
Maybe a more fragmented party system in the US would do better, with a populist party along Buchanan's lines, a Republican party similar to what it is now (conservative and bourgeois), a democrat party similar as well (liberal and bourgeois), and a leftist-popular party. Of course, such a remapping of the party system would mean to change your whole electoral system, which currently makes sure only two big partis can exist.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Spiffor
These figures are frightening. 22% of your general population wants to make abortion illegal !? In what kind of feudal kingdom are you living!?

That's what happens when Courts step into areas they shouldn't. It only serves to radicalize the debate.

[Shi Huangdi]

"These figures are frightening. 22% of your general population wants to make abortion illegal !? "

I find it as frightening that your nation has become so entangled in the culture of death that it's not even an issue.