Is Homosexuality a choice?

[Giancarlo]

Homosexuality isn't a choice. It is that clear cut.

[Sava]

"hypothalamus" is the part of the brain that releases hormones and chemicals that give the feeling of attraction, BTW

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Worthingtons
My Argument is that Gays Choose to be Gay, but not neccesarily based on pure attraction - I think it is sometimes down to bad experiences with Women, or misinterpreting feelings for other blokes.

Your argument does not have merit. I would not choose to be this way. And nor have I ever been on a date with a women, and nor do I misinterpret feelings for other guys.

[Kirnwaffen]

As far as I'm concerned, homosexuality is at least partially biological. My understanding is that there exists a fair amount of research into the subject, and, though there has been nothing conclusive, much of the evidence collected suggests this.

Unfortunately, I can't point to anything specific, because about the only thing I've heard on the subject comes from my German teacher (has a master's in philosophy, and loves to have ethics discussions) who may or may not be an accurate source.

[Worthingtons]

Interesting Sava, I wasnt aware of that such science existed - excuse my Ignorance.
Still, I doubt very much that every person's motivation for changing sexuality is the same - the few people i have seen turn Gay have not exactly had ideal past's, A Friend i know Online accounced his sexuality about a half a year ago, and i wasnt even midly suprised, because of his past.

[Worthingtons]

Fez, I see you are trolling as usual.

You state my opinion does not have Merit yet at least i back it up with some reasoning, You are merely stating an Opinion and leaving at that - You, are the one who's opinion does not have merit (until you at least give some explanation for it).

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Worthingtons
Fez, I see you are trolling as usual.

You state my opinion does not have Merit yet at least i back it up with some reasoning, You are merely stating an Opinion and leaving at that - You, are the one who's opinion does not have merit (until you at least give some explanation for it).

I am stating what I think about it. From my personal belief, as this strikes me personally. It isn't a choice. I gave my reason, I didn't choose to be this way.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Worthingtons
Interesting Sava, I wasnt aware of that such science existed - excuse my Ignorance.
Still, I doubt very much that every person's motivation for changing sexuality is the same - the few people i have seen turn Gay have not exactly had ideal past's, A Friend i know Online accounced his sexuality about a half a year ago, and i wasnt even midly suprised, because of his past.

ah, and perhaps the reason such relationships don't work is because the person is a homosexual and not really attracted to the other person. It's hard to make a relationship work when you aren't attracted to someone. And plus, some people might not realize they are homosexual until after such an experience. From birth we're socialized into thinking getting married and having children is what life is all about... and for some it is. But other people simply might be going on with "life" without truly realizing their homosexuality. I had a friend of my family come out when she was in her 50's. She has two daughters and had to divorce her husband because of the situation. I've had long conversations with this woman and they were very revealing about her situation. It's hard to accept being different, especially when you don't know why.

I can relate to homosexuals because I have depression. While the two are obviously different, I didn't realize I had severe depression until I was 18. I had always thought I was different because I didn't enjoy life, didn't see a point to it, and didn't care to live in this world. I've tried counseling, medication, therapy, and nothing works. It's just the way I was wired from birth. I haven't had terribly traumatic experiences. And since being depressed was all I ever knew, it was hard for me to have a frame of reference since I never fully felt happy.

[Kirnwaffen]

Just to throw in one tidbit from my German teacher, apparently current research is focusing possible hormonal differences between the first male child and those that follow. Apparently some correlation has been found between having an older brother and being gay. Some researchers believe this is due to drops in certain horomones following each male pregnancy.

I have no idea if this is accurate, but I thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

[Giancarlo]

I don't have an older brother. Perhaps that is accurate for some (maybe), but not for me.

[Proteus_MST]

I also rather think that Genetics may be involved. But as with Intelligence it may not be pure Genetics, but Genetics combined with Experiences in early childhood.

For example with Birds there is a Period of Imprinting, where you can make the Birds being attracted by other Species.
There is a well known Experiment, where male Zebra finches (Taeniopygia guttata) have been imprinted to display Courtship behaviour to Bengalese finches (Lonchura striata).

Maybe that Humans also have a Period in early Childhood which at least influences Sexual Preferences.

But there are also animal experiments, which show that Genetics have a certain Influence for sexual Preferences and so, as many attributes in Humans, such as the IQ, are determined by both, Genetics and Environment, I think it could be also correct for Sexual Preferences.

[tinyp3nis]

I do indeed think that Homosexuality is a Choice, and it will probably attract flames, I fail to see, that with all the perfections in our DNA (Yes, we are a far from perfect race but studying biology makes one aware of just how finely tuned we are in order to 'work') that there could possibly be a flaw in such a black and white issue as Sexuality. A Key Integral of any organism is Reproduction, in Humans this is done via Intercourse between male and female, it's in our genes to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex in order to ensure reproduction takes place. Homosexuality, which would hinder reproduction, would surely then be considered a 'flaw'.

Insert any genetic fault, apply reasoning above. Conclusion is the same, which leads to --> There are no genetic faults and no genes either apprently?
If bleeders can still exists today, anything can. So what is that confuses you so much that you accept such reasoning as correct one? The volume? Too many gays? What? Please don't say that gay people didn't have children. We are finely tuned indeed, atleast the ones who get the good genes.
I don't exclude environmental factors as a part of causing gayness, but I doubt their significance.

[Worthingtons]

Of course undesirable genes exist in us, I wish My Skin was more tolerant to sun like colored people, but it's hardly a major issue, if i get sunburned woss the deal?
If , for some reason i had a gene which made me homosexual, it's be a big deal since it would threaten the prolonged existance of my species - Evolution would surely have stamped it out.

I dont disclude genetic factors based on the arguments for the subject, but it's thier significance i doubt

[CorpusScorpius]

Originally posted by tinyp3nis


If bleeders can still exists today, anything can.

There are way too many Genetic flaws that are still around to claim that evolution would have taken care of it.
Nature or Nurture, both, who knows?

[Jaguar]

I don't know.

Take a poll of the gay people, and whatever they decide, I'll assume is correct.