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Originally posted by Ned
elitism (control of economic resources by an elite)
elitism (control of economic resources by an elite)
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Somehow this sounds more like Enron than Castro.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324) -
And, HO, just how does a private company "control" the resources of a country?
The point being made by the article is that such control is not limited to socialist countries, but includes the countries of much of Latin America.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Says who. Certainly not those that are resposible for protecting borders and taking care of those already living in the country.Originally posted by Ned
Che, a quick survey of human rights and emmigration reveals that emmigration is considered an aspect of liberty, that restricting it is indeed a human rights violation.
If someone wants to come to this country let them demostrate that first they can obey the laws.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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A crazy old thing called ownership. You might've heard of it.And, HO, just how does a private company "control" the resources of a country?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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By having amazingly good links to the government.Originally posted by Ned
And, HO, just how does a private company "control" the resources of a country?
"a quick survey of human rights and emmigration reveals that emmigration is considered an aspect of liberty, that restricting it is indeed a human rights violation."
Emigration is a right under several human rights texts, immigration is not. Sounds odd, but makes sense. A state may not forbid its citizens to leave, but a state can forbid others to come to that country.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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That seems like an arbitrary assertion to me. It makes just as much sense the other way around."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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How does it make sense the other way around?
Of course it makes sense that you can't forbid people to leave, but you can forbid people to enter.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I'm saying that neither assertion makes any sense."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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That's the law for you....“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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I think it makes perfect sense to say emigration must be allowed but immigration does not have to.
After all, look around at society. You usually MUST be allowed to leave where ever you go (except for the obvious exceptions of jails, etc), but you aren't allowed to go in everywhere (such as private residences).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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You're also not allowed to say what you want in a private residence. Does that mean the state should take the same attitude?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Well, the right to personal freedom protects you from being locked up in a cell. It does not give you a right to enter military bases or Cheney's "secret location.
“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Sprayber, do you know the difference between immigration and emmigration?Originally posted by Sprayber
Says who. Certainly not those that are resposible for protecting borders and taking care of those already living in the country.
If someone wants to come to this country let them demostrate that first they can obey the laws.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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You should add that the government must also be corrupt, i.e., is willing to accept bribes in order to grant privileges.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
By having amazingly good links to the government.
Glad to see we are on the same page here."a quick survey of human rights and emmigration reveals that emmigration is considered an aspect of liberty, that restricting it is indeed a human rights violation."
Emigration is a right under several human rights texts, immigration is not. Sounds odd, but makes sense. A state may not forbid its citizens to leave, but a state can forbid others to come to that country.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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So, Che and fellow travelers, do you agree that restricting emmigration is a human rights violation?
Restricting emmigration appears to be is an essential feature of all communist countries. Without it, communism could not impose equalty. The best and brightest would always flee.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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