Why the best tracks at war movies are anti-war?

[Stefu]

The thread title makes me wonder if there's some war movie where they use RATM as background music to the ass-kicking scenes.

[Az]

listen to me, post pics of weapons, pics that you didn't draw. That way you may pretend that this is a regular MBT thread, and escape with your dignity and sanity intact.

[Pekka]

Osweld, I'm not a saint, but I don't consider myself as evil or bad either. Given the chance, I'll work for the good guys, never baddies. When crap hits the fan, you'll thank that there are sickos like me

[Pekka]

Stefu, I was actually thinking the same thing just few minutes ago! I think there is none though.. RATM has few tracks that would go great with ass kicking action though. Would fit the picture, they are kind of anti-gov, anti-war too.

[Jeltz]

Originally posted by Azazel
@ Pekka

no, "We will rock you " is not the theme from "The Rock". "The Rock" is the movie with Nicolas Cage and Sean Connery going to Alcatraz, and taking care of rebel Marines who hold VX rockets.

The Rock is not a war movie. It's a movie about a senior citizen and a nerdy scientist who miraculously save San Francisco from a terrorist attack organised by a group of U.S. ex-marines. Yes, it has a cool theme music. Almost as cool as the theme music of Con Air, another Jerry Bruckheimer movie.

About war movies: the best war movies are in fact anti-war.

[Pekka]

Azazel, I don't forget that you are part of PWS! Or was it Siro? Not sure.. I admit my pictures do wrong kind of justice . Maybe I should just give specs and things like that, or .. well I just like drawing too much I guess
I think I'll get better if I just draw enough.

[Az]

/me thinks that Jeltz is a partypooper.

[Az]

What's PWS?

oh I remember now.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Pekka
When crap hits the fan, you'll thank that there are sickos like me

Sickos like you (to use your own words) are the crap that hits the fan.

You seriosuly think you are making the world a better place by developing new ways of killing people? And please do NOT tell me you think a mine is an ethical weapon... something to be proud of designing. You have any idea how many people die or lose limbs to mines in war-torn areas, just by walking down the street, or playing in a field? Even to a soldier, it makes them dread every step they take, that they might blow up or become a cripple at a moments notice without even seein their enemy, or their enemy seeing them. Very ethical.

[Pekka]

Yeah.. I know that in reality no one will ever buy these weapons, as they are not so good as they supposed to be in my mind, but I know that I could make some of these work (note: susie q is not one of them). I can do only so much with pen and paper and research without having the materials and testing facilities, which unfortunately is impossible in our impotent allegedly free country. So I can never develop them to where I can have the correct figures and measurements and changes made them to work, not even speaking about calibration and things like that. It's a shame..

[Az]

[Pekka]

Osweld, in the contrary, mines are one of the most ethical weapons there is. The problem with them are that most of the times they are used in a wrong way.
Enemy doesn't even think of removing them, ever.

If mines are used correctly, they make (i don't know the word in english) 'sulutteet' and other documents that clearly points where they are, so they can be taken out, and when war is over, they WILL be taken out.

So as a defensive weapon, yes they are very ethical. As offensive weapon they are NOT ethical, as they maim civies after wars etc, just like you described. So no, IMO they are very ethical, it's just the ethics of the soldiers that decides what happens.

[Pekka]

Osweld, well I hope I don't brake your fan by defending you though.

[Sheik]

Best movie soundtrack and best movie IMO is Forest Gump. Anti-war songs just sound good and make the situation that the soldiers are in seem more dramatic and dire.

[Pekka]

ps I'm always thinking of situation that is defensive war against attacker/oppressor. I'd never go attack people or think of waving guns at them. I'm a man of peace. But sometimes you can get in trouble because other people enforce there will on you, so then you must defend yourself or die. I choose fighting rather than giving up and dying.

better be safe than sorry.

History has shown many times, that if you are weak, you will be ran over. If you're not prepared, you'll get destroyed by prepared ones. It doens't mean you have to have all the weapons and be ready 24/7 personally and be paranoid about it. But I sleep better knowing that my side is ready, prepared and has awful lot of weapons. So then if things come down to it, we have at least some chances to survive. You don't build your house when the water is low to the beach. YOu can yell at the water to stop rising, but it will come and it will take your house. So better to build it a little higher. And that doesn't make you building fanatic, that makes you reasonable and a type of person that wants counter possible destruction. I see nothing wrong with that.

Would you rather make spears with McGyver swiss army knife if someone decides to attack? No, you need powerful weapons. When you use them, do you go curse to the designers and say 'you bad people, killers!'. No, you kiss the weapons and take the bad words back.