Why the best tracks at war movies are anti-war?

[Pekka]

I've noticed, that in many war movies they use anti-war songs. But not in a way of making dramatic effect or anytinhg but more when it's time to look cool. You know, guys wearing aviators, smoking cigs, sitting in top of tanks with their green t-shirts on and smiling. And having their personal weapon be the baby.

SO, why do they play anti-war songs? I think they fit very good though, because many of them sounds good.
Like CCRs Fortunate Son etc etc you know the songs.

There's nothing better than having a wild guitar screaming while you shoot few enemis, take a pose and smile to the cameras

Is it supposed to be a ying yang thing or what? It's not like it's happened once, it's in most war movies always.
I'm thinking of making a video about military hardware, you know, tanks rolling, guns, few world leaders speaking, cut, action, mobilizing, fighters, choppers, and a cool anti-war song on the back. And babes. Lots of babes. I think I'm getting too fond of military stuff lately, I've always liked them but now I'm drooling, someone please help me?

[General Ludd]

What movies are you talking about? I know nothing about the soundtracks, but alot of people mistake stanley kubricks films for being "war movies", when they are actually anti-war. Which is really quite disturbing.

[Pekka]

Exactly! There are huge loads of anti-war stuff in war movies in general, yet they only make them better war movies and not because of peace.. but because it looks better and sounds better. Or then the directors are turning in their graves as I interpret their master works and get them completely wrong . Well one to it's own, I like'em. I don't like hippies though, they smell funny and can't afford bras..

[Az]

you mean music tracks?

If so, let me remind you of the theme music of "The Rock".

[Pekka]

Azazel, yeah, I mean music tracks. What kind of other tracks did you have in mind? railroad tracks?

The Rock? Wasn't it the queen song 'we will rock you'????

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Osweld
Which is really quite disturbing.

But not nearly as disturbing as someone who draws child-like drawings of mass killing machines, of course.

[Pekka]

Osweld, come on.. my weapons are not mass killing weapons. They are self defense systems. If they were mass killing weapons, they would be used by terrorists and people who are mass killers. They are used to defend against people like that. Properly used, they will only kill baddies. And I have drawn better pictures too as I have actually designed them and thoght about mechanism and technical difficulties adn calculations, and if you really want to, I can try to scan them somewhere so you can see them, they look more 'professinoal'. Would that make you happy?
Besides, I have ethics too, I design only systems that are not used to attack as their primary mission, but defend. Like mines. No one forces attacker to step in them, I see no problem. Some of them are not serious projects, but more to entertain myself, like Susie Q. Then there are weapons that can actually work in real life, like the sleepwatcher. If you have a problem with weapons, then why don't you e-mail to lockheed & martin or something?

[Az]

@ Pekka

no, "We will rock you " is not the theme from "The Rock". "The Rock" is the movie with Nicolas Cage and Sean Connery going to Alcatraz, and taking care of rebel Marines who hold VX rockets.

[Pekka]

Besides, this is once again becoming the forever debate of wars/weapons/soldiers vs peace/flowers/natural scent. It's BS anyway. People will always have conflict of interest, hatred, grudge, need for more power and what not. So, they will NEVER stop until the last man has died from this universe. You can put all John Lennon tapes to play on stations 24/7, but it's not going to change a thing.

The fact is, people are stupid, so they will fight. What are you going to do about it? You can stand next to it and point fingers and sing peace songs. Or you can enter the battlefield and make it finish sooner. There is nothing more painful for the infrastructure and civilians, kids and mothers AND to soldiers than slow burning war, never ending war, a war that no one is thinking of finishing. Why is that? Because the other side is strong/weak enough to keep you from winning, causing overall destruction and pain to be bigger for BOTH sides. So, what are you going to do? Stand next to it and say war is bad? It sure is, but it's not going to stop it.

Majority of people blame mercs, private military companies (PMCs) and what ever. They think they are only fuel to the fire, when they are there to be effective, take out enemies of someone, and that actually makes the wars shorter. There are no thousands of mercs working on both sides so it can continue. Don't you think there are enough wars to occupy mercs? Do you think mercs get paid thousands of dollars a week? Hell no they don't. They have to volunteer to fight, and that makes them volunteers, and that makes them earn worse than .. anyone in the world. Only ones making money is PMCs and their operators. And they're highly professional veterans of wars and ex-special ops. They get highly dangerous missions, and they are very effective, and they make a difference. And that difference is resulting less pain and destruction.

RAaaaaaaaaaaant!

[Pekka]

Azazel, yeah exactly? It wasn't that? I have that movie myself.. Ok, then it was only in the trailer.. or in the finnish commercial.

[Az]

**** that. Place some pics of weaponary that you didn't "draw".

[Pekka]

Azazel, that I didn't draw? I don't understand?

The point of my earlier rant was, that I like the overall result of destruction to be as minimal as possible. And that calls for powerful weapons. So highly trained soldiers are humanitarian workers in a kinky way.

[Stefu]

How many pro-war tracks are there, anyway?

[General Ludd]

Like I said, disturbing.

I have ethics too, I design only systems that are not used to attack as their primary mission, but defend. Like mines.

Yeah, a regular saint.

[Pekka]

stefu, I guess not many... nothing comes to my mind right now