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has anyone read the geneva convention.
is going to war a war crime? I don't know seems kinda funny.
is going to war a war crime? I don't know seems kinda funny.
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Starting an unjstified war of aggression. Remember Nürnberg and Tokyo?Originally posted by DinoDoc
On what charge and on what authority?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Yes. That's why I was curious who you thought would carry out this trial of yours.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Remember Nürnberg and Tokyo?
Of course we both know those trials were victors justice anyway.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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wow thats weak. it'd be easily asserted in any sane court that disagreeing w/ the justification doesn't mean something lacks justification.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Starting an unjstified war of aggression. Remember Nürnberg and Tokyo?
I still don't think my question is answered though. if thats literally what it sez in the document then thats pathetic writing.Comment
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"That's why I was curious who you thought would carry out this trial of yours."
Universal jurisdiction is a nice thing. After leaving office, Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the whole gang are open to prosecution from Albania to Vietnam. There's also maybe 30 years to get the bastards. Many things can happen...
"it'd be easily asserted in any sane court that disagreeing w/ the justification doesn't mean something lacks justification."
That's not the issue. The issue is that there is no justification whatsoever.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Well snap to it then! You already have a potential test case for the ability to put an ex-American President on trial in the form of Bill Clinton. You can even use the same charge you plan on using with Bush. Lazy Eurocoms!Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Universal jurisdiction is a nice thing. After leaving office, Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the whole gang are open to prosecution from Albania to Vietnam. There's also maybe 30 years to get the bastards. Many things can happen...
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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wow aren't we leftist. no possible justification for war? why have all the OTHER war crimes if simply going to one is a crime? I mean ****.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"That's why I was curious who you thought would carry out this trial of yours."
Universal jurisdiction is a nice thing. After leaving office, Bush, Blair, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the whole gang are open to prosecution from Albania to Vietnam. There's also maybe 30 years to get the bastards. Many things can happen...
"it'd be easily asserted in any sane court that disagreeing w/ the justification doesn't mean something lacks justification."
That's not the issue. The issue is that there is no justification whatsoever.Comment
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"You already have a potential test case for the ability to put an ex-American President on trial in the form of Bill Clinton."
You mean for Kosovo?
"no possible justification for war?"
Well what would it be?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Yes.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
You mean for Kosovo?
PS Can you explain the unjustified part of this "charge"? Every war has justifications.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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to depose gross violators of human rights. to stop a dangerous region from getting/developing nuclear weapons. to defend oneself. to aid in the defense of one's ally.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"You already have a potential test case for the ability to put an ex-American President on trial in the form of Bill Clinton."
You mean for Kosovo?
"no possible justification for war?"
Well what would it be?
that took 15 seconds, I could probably think of more.Comment
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"to depose gross violators of human rights."
Irrelevant.
"to stop a dangerous region from getting/developing nuclear weapons."
Irrelevant and bogus.
"to defend oneself."
Against what?
"to aid in the defense of one's ally"
Against what?
"that took 15 seconds"
It shows.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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sorry u disagree. but I think all those are viable justifications for military aggression. there's really no need to be a wiseass. or try to incite me into flaming you.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"to depose gross violators of human rights."
Irrelevant.
"to stop a dangerous region from getting/developing nuclear weapons."
Irrelevant and bogus.
"to defend oneself."
Against what?
"to aid in the defense of one's ally"
Against what?
"that took 15 seconds"
It shows.Comment
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"but I think all those are viable justifications for military aggression"
I'm talking about the law, not your wishes.
"or try to incite me into flaming you"
Try it, lameass.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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I'm not talking about my wishes. I am talking about my beliefs. when u asked me what u think a justification for war is what did u expect to get? ur really a very wound up person who is just looking for someone to lure into a flamewar. maybe bring it down a few notches.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"but I think all those are viable justifications for military aggression"
I'm talking about the law, not your wishes.
"or try to incite me into flaming you"
Try it, lameass.Comment
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There are two issues here. Was the US right to go to war without the UN. And was the UN right to be so pathetic about enforcing its cease-fire.Comment
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