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So you disagree to the logical connection that no welfare results in more crime?
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No welfare does not result in more crime. More crime is a result of the immoral behavior of individuals - that is, crime is a result, in this case, from greed, selfishness, and a disdain for the rights of others.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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only half true... you can get a minimum wage job and barely survive (though not comfortably) or you can get into crime and actually live alright (or maybe even damn good). i dont think it's greed or selfishness to want a little more than food and a roof...that is, crime is a result, in this case, from greed, selfishness, and a disdain for the rights of others."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
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You forgot "disdain for the rights of others" which I consider both selfish and greedy.i dont think it's greed or selfishness to want a little more than food and a roof...Comment
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Monkspider -I usually fill out my own taxes, and after donating five dollars to Chickadee Checkoff
Chickadee check-off, I pay $5 for that too. Now they send me pamphlets explaining what great things they're doing with my money. Haven't gotten any pamphlets yet about all the good things they've done for the WWII memorial.
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in fact if more welfare means abusive taxes then it also means more crime as the people try to avoid paying them. Not to mention the "official" crime of the estate stealing the money from the people."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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German Sozialhilfe is quite strange, especially if you add the extended unemployment benefits that are essentially welfare.Originally posted by DanielXY
Yes, welfare in europe esspecially Germany is way to big.
Our system is a good deal more restrictive, but I think social attitudes and stigma play a much larger role. For my state the pretty much undisputed estimate is that in the capital 50 % of those eligable file for welfare. In the rural areas, just about 10 %.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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While in Germany ppl file for Welfare and work illegal ...
Its a devicous Circle really. Wefare is high=>Costs are high=>Taxes are high=> livin' on Welfare (+eventual work) more attractive=> More ppl on welfare etc.Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!Comment
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You think only in Germany?
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I want to know who the hell FICA is and who told him that he could dip into my paycheck?
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Tell me about the Lithunian Problem ;=)Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!Comment
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Re: Damn taxes...
hi ,Originally posted by Albert Speer
I got my first paycheck from mcdonald's today. i got hired on the last day of a pay period so I only got a single day's pay which was good for me to get things in perspective (8 hours rather than getting lost in a mess of 40+ hours)... also, all my previous jobs were under the table so i never had to deal with taxes before...
and damn... my raw pay is 47.15 but after 7.03 in taxes, i'm down to 40.12...
thank you, democrats for taking my 7 dollars away (an hour and a half of work! all useless!)... 15% of the check right there...
praise yourself happy , in most parts of europe it closer the 50% , ......
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"praise yourself happy , in most parts of europe it closer the 50%"
Or in Israel.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Freedom day celebrated last week IIRC.
Cost of governement and all associated programs and services funded through taxes income sales property etc. required average American to work up until sometime in July without pay to fund the Governments largess.
From here on in its our money so I'm workin OT.
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How is this the Dem's fault? Both parties tax. In fact, more of the blame belongs to Reagan.thank you, democrats for taking my 7 dollars away (an hour and a half of work! all useless!)... 15% of the check right there...
The following statistics are from the 1992 Green Book, Congressional Budget Office.
Personal income tax rate for top bracket
Years Percent
1945 91%
1946-63 88
1964-81 70
1981-86 50
1988 28
1991 31Income Growth by Quintile2
Quintile 1950-1978 1979-1993
Lowest 20% 138% -15%
2nd 20% 98 -7
3rd 20% 106 -3
4th 20% 111 5
Highest 20% 99 18Average hourly earnings, total private industry (1982 dollars)4
1973 $8.55
1980 7.78
1985 7.77
1990 7.52
1993 7.39
Presidents Reagan and Bush froze the minimum wage for 9 years, essentially giving those workers a pay cut each year as inflation bit into their paychecks. In 1992 dollars, the 1963 minimum was $5.74 -- or 35 percent more than it is today.Effective Family Federal Tax Rate (Income and FICA)1
Year Median Millionaire or Top 1%
1948 5.3% 76.9%
1955 9.1 85.5
1960 12.4 85.5
1965 11.6 66.9
1970 16.1 68.6
1975 20.0 --
1977 -- 35.5
1980 23.7 31.7
1985 24.4 24.9
1989 24.4 26.7This may be too many numbers for some people... but basically... Speer... you can thank 12 years of Reagan and Bush for the higher taxes you are paying.Total Effective Tax Rates for All Families (Federal Income and Payroll Taxes)2
Quintile 1980 1985 1990 % change 1980-90
Lowest 20% 8.4% 10.6 9.7 16.1%
Second 20% 15.7 16.1 16.7 6.0
Third 20% 20.0 19.3 20.3 1.2
Fourth 20% 23.0 21.7 22.5 -2.2
Highest 20% 27.3 24.0 25.8 -5.5
Top 1% 31.8 24.9 27.2 -14.4To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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