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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sirotnikov
    Nor should that be of any concern, because according to recent rumors, Microsoft will not make anymore IE versions, nor any further service packs. If you want a new version - get their future windows version.
    Asher, mind commenting on why you don't consider MSIE dead?
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Zopperoni
      On-topic, I've grown so attached to Opera that I can't be arsed to switch (again).
      me either. i tried Mozilla after a few issues Opera has with TDZK, but i just can't live without mouse gesutres

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ned
        My two cents, I like, very much like, the text zoom feature of Mozilla and Netscape. IE and IE based browers have nothing comparable. By itself, this puts Mozilla in a class by itself for me.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sirotnikov
          Asher, any responses to my second post?
          What's there to respond to? Your computer is clearly otherwordly.

          And it's a joke to say Mozilla has an active community -- Netscape did it and the "community" would add a tiny thing every now and then. Netscape pulled out, Mozilla is struggling to reorganize.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by elijah
            Asher, you really don't like open source software do you?
            I don't have any problem with it in general. Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc are superb. BSD is awesome.

            I have problems with Mozilla and Linux because they are crap. The fact that they are open source has nothing to do with it, but it really annoys me when people advocate them because they're open source when they're clearly crap products.
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            • #36
              Because I have it crash, hang, and become unresponsive far more often than IE.
              I skipped the rest of the thread just to debunk you...

              I have NEVER had Mozilla crash. Not once. Not ever.

              On the other hand, on the occasions that I went back to the Dark Side (read: MSIE) I've gotten everything from tremendous slowdowns (!) to programs trying to fill my computer with ActiveX "Give us your cookies and we'll give you ads for some cheap peice of sh!t" things to IE crashes and system crashes as a whole.

              And this isn't even the latest version. I've been using 1.3a for a while now; however I had to patch and upgrade MSIE for it to even be worth going back to the Dark Side in the first place.

              At best, you were accidentally using a nightly build or a really, REALLY old version.

              At worst, you are ignorant.

              (I just felt the need here to applaud Moz.)


              EDIT: Missed part of your failure to understand reality (i.e. "post".)

              I also dislike how the scroll works while the page is loading, it's irratic and irritating
              I have only had this happen with a copy of MSIE on another person's computer; suggests that it's something wrong with your computer instead of Moz.
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              • #37
                Asher, you asked for it

                (Really, you got me too hyped up now... )

                I'm not sure I 100% know what he is talking about, but Ned is correct in that Moz text sizes are more abundant, you could say.
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                • #38
                  For the record, I have IE and Opera. I like Opera, but I went back to IE. I found IE faster and better.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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                  • #39
                    i've had mozilla crash on me.

                    it's a point of pride for me to try to make "uncrashable' things crash.

                    ie and opera are easy. mozilla's not that hard.
                    windows is easy, osx is easy, linux is harder.

                    opera is my browser of choice, because of tabbed browsing, which feels more natural in opera than mozilla, and mouse gestures.

                    i still use ie and mozilla, though.
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                    • #40
                      and with opera, you can do that by either tinkering with the magnify bar in the upper right, or by holding down ctrl and flipping the mousewheel.
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                      • #41
                        Oooh, I do like the mouse gestures in Opera, Q. It's why it is on my hard drive still .
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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                        • #42
                          oh, and opera is a honda, mozilla a nissan, and ie a toyota.

                          one's fast, lightweight, and nifty, one's quite well engineered, and one's reliable and ubiquitous.

                          none of them are anything to write home about.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by mrmitchell
                            I skipped the rest of the thread just to debunk you...

                            I have NEVER had Mozilla crash. Not once. Not ever.
                            Bull-****.
                            1.4 crashes every time a Java applet loads for me. And yes, it's been reported to Bugzilla (but not by me).

                            At best, you were accidentally using a nightly build or a really, REALLY old version.
                            Neither: 1.4 is the latest real release.

                            EDIT: Missed part of your failure to understand reality (i.e. "post".)

                            I have only had this happen with a copy of MSIE on another person's computer; suggests that it's something wrong with your computer instead of Moz.
                            Oh, so perhaps it is infectuous and that's why it behaves the same way on the three regular computer systems I use...

                            It's not a problem with irregular behavior, it's a problem with smooth scrolling. Mozilla, until very recently, didn't have it. And even now, it's still bugged. As of 1.3 they had you enable it manually because it was so bugged...it's not any better now.

                            There's also a constant problem, particularly on Solaris, with text-field input in Mozilla. When inserting linebreaks, it will visually duplicate the line (ie, not delete the word from the top of the line while copying it down to the next line). It's very confusing...

                            And on Windows, its behavior in the textfield is inconsistent with Windows. In Windows, if you doubleclick on the textfield it will highlight it all. In Mozilla, it highlights only one word. Very annoying, to me anyway.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Asher, you asked for it

                              Originally posted by mrmitchell
                              (Really, you got me too hyped up now... )

                              I'm not sure I 100% know what he is talking about, but Ned is correct in that Moz text sizes are more abundant, you could say.
                              I know it's more abundant, but they're useless zoom settings.

                              I've used Mozilla a lot, and since 0.6, you need not hold my hand for the tour thank-you-very-much...

                              And what Ned said, mind you, was that IE had "nothing comparable".

                              Are your fonts not displaying right in Mozilla or are you just a bit behind in reading comprehension skills?
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                              • #45
                                Are your fonts not displaying right in Mozilla or are you just a bit behind in reading comprehension skills?
                                The second one

                                Bull-****.
                                If you're not going to believe me in the first place, why should I even try to talk to you?

                                Here, let me say it slower...

                                Mozilla...has....never...crashed...on...me.
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