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David Kelly. How was his death the government's fault.
Originally posted by Sava
But since you and Bodd's seem to think the BBC erred, I'm forced to disagree because you guys are generally off-base.
Can you think of a better source than the BBC's website and Dr. Kelly's own words to prove BBC error? It didn't even take that long to find his testimony on the site.
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Can you think of a better source than the BBC's website and Dr. Kelly's own words to prove BBC error? It didn't even take that long to find his testimony on the site.
Well, the BBC is contradicting itself... their cover story indicates Kelly wasn't taken out of context. And on top of that, the NY Times, and just about everyone else is maintaining Kelly wasn't taken out of context. There's more evidence leaning the other way, DD... Sorry
BTW, sorry if anything I said before insults you... often times I try to poke fun, but end up sounding like more of an ass than I intended
Dear Brits, sorry to interrupt this thread, but there's one thing I didn't really get. Maybe it was covered badly in our news and you can inform me: Dr. Kelly comitted suicide by opening his veins, but his body was found "near his house". Doesn't that sound somehow strange? Personally, I'd open my veins in my bath in my house, wouldn't you too?
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Originally posted by Boddington's "From the conversation I had with him, I do not see how he could make the authoritative statement he was making from the comments that I made."
Dr David Kelly.
This is what the issue is about.
I can think of one reason why Dr Kelly might have said that - and still given the BBC cause to think Campbell had been exaggerating the extent of Iraqs WMD.
It comes down to the magic words "off the record". Such words, added to a statement, give the source deniability while letting the media outlet publish the claim - with the proviso that "off the record" information sources cannot be directly quoted or attributed.
It might explain why the BBC were not happy about naming the source, while leaving Dr Kelly happy to say that he wasn't OFFICIALLY the source.
I can't say that's how the muddle happened - but it is a possibility.
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"The BBC believes we accurately interpreted and reported the factual information obtained by us during interviews with Dr. Kelly," the statement continued.
Kelly's death plunges British Prime Minister Tony Blair into a deeper political crisis over the intelligence used to justify war in Iraq, reports CBS News reporter Charles D'Agata.
The statement said Kelly, an internationally respected weapons expert, had also been the source for a piece by reporter Susan Watts on the BBC's "Newsnight" analysis program.
Kelly had told a Parliamentary committee he spoke privately to Gilligan but did not recognize his claims in the reporter's piece and believed he was not its main source.
The BBC announced Sunday that Kelly was the source of reports by the public broadcaster that Downing Street had "sexed up" a dossier on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction in order to justify going to war.
The announcement was made after the BBC had spoken with Kelly's family.
The dossier allegations caused a bitter row between the BBC and the British government. Kelly was grilled by a parliamentary committee, where he denied being the main source of a radio report by journalist Andrew Gilligan.
Gillian issued a separate statement Sunday, saying he "did not misquote or misrepresent" Kelly in his report.
Blair said he was "pleased that the BBC has made this announcement."
for some reason I cannot access the BBC site right now... but as soon as I can, I'll post today's cover story which says basically the same thing as these two excerpts.
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can you think of a better source than the BBC's website and Dr. Kelly's own words to prove BBC error? It didn't even take that long to find his testimony on the site.
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The BBC has disclosed that Dr David Kelly was the principal source for its controversial report claiming Downing Street "sexed up" an Iraq weapons dossier.
He told the MPs: "From the conversation I had I don't see how he could make the authoritative statement he was making from the comments I made."
According to television journalist Tom Mangold, a friend, Dr Kelly believed he was the source for about 60% of Mr Gilligan's report.
He said the corporation believed it correctly interpreted and reported the information obtained from Dr Kelly during interviews.
So nice try Dino, but it's far from settled.
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
So nice try Dino, but it's far from settled.
This is getting fun. Here's another quote: I did not see how on earth I could have been the primary source. - Dr. Kelly (from the transcript I linked to earlier)
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So it must have been Campbell...and hence the government's fault! Thanks DD!
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Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Dear Brits, sorry to interrupt this thread, but there's one thing I didn't really get. Maybe it was covered badly in our news and you can inform me: Dr. Kelly comitted suicide by opening his veins, but his body was found "near his house". Doesn't that sound somehow strange? Personally, I'd open my veins in my bath in my house, wouldn't you too?
and the guy went for a walk as usual - to kill himself in the woods!?!
maybe to blow his head off would be understandable (to go for that in the woods)... but slit the wrists,
who is crazy here...
... just to add, 59 yo man, who appeared calm in front of the parliament, to go and kill himself leaving his family behind ---- maybe to go and retire that is understandable, but commit suicide rather far fetched... but hey, people still beleive that Allende commited suicide when he was surrounded by Pinochets troups ... so you can convince the mass if you present your evidence in a correct manner, it wouldn't be the first or the last time around...
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maybe to blow his head off would be understandable
Gun laws, remember?
I hardly blame their Government for killing him. I guess he wanted to make sure it was done properly.... i.e that he wasn't caught bleeding by his wife...
Still the pressure put on him would have been intolerable. I blame the Government for villifying him in committee rather more than I blame the BBC for using his 'evidence' which he freely granted them --on the basis he remained anon, which the BBC duly granted.
Doesn't that sound somehow strange? Personally, I'd open my veins in my bath in my house, wouldn't you too?
- to kill himself in the woods!?!
... so you can convince the mass if you present your evidence in a correct manner, it wouldn't be the first or the last time around...
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