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I must agree with that sentiment. The soviets were definetly the good guys there.
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I must agree with that sentiment. The soviets were definetly the good guys there.
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They also raped, pillaged and executed tens of thousands. They didn't build squat. That was a propaganda campaign.Originally posted by Serb
During those ten years Russians build Afghani infrastructure from scratch, their roads, power plants, hospitals, universities, schools, libraries and sh!tloads of other stuff. It was nescessary, because Soviets tried to bring them socialism and it wasn't possible without control over country. So, how much you build there now? Perhaps you can't find builders crazy enough to work there? Perhaps because you control nothing there?
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I take it that Azazel is disappointed in the way the Soviets betrayed communism, almost from the beginning.Originally posted by Serb
And you call yourself a communist?No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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No...no...no...Soviets killed, tortued, pillaged and raped (often mans, boys and eldersOriginally posted by Azazel
I must agree with that sentiment. The soviets were definetly the good guys there.
). They also gased entire cities, used terrible chemical agents, much, much, much more dangerous than harmless agent orange used in Vietnam. Damn, there is a gossip that Soviets used a mini-nuke in Afghanistan. And they never build a thing in Afghanistan, all those roads, plants and buildings you can see now in Afganistan (or remains of those structures) were build thousands years ago by unknown to modern science civilization. Soviets couldn't build a thing in this medieval country, because Soviets were Satans and pure evil.
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I see Euroboy already explained the situation in Afghanistan for you Azazel.Originally posted by Fez
They also raped, pillaged and executed tens of thousands. They didn't build squat. That was a propaganda campaign.
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Afghanistan doesn't have roads, or tall buildings. By the way the airport in Kabul was built by the US in the 1950s. The hydroelectric dam was also built by the US in the 1950s. These things are rotting. Afghanistan doesn't have any tall buildings to speak of. In fact all the buildings it does have are either mud huts or ones that are built with shoddy materials.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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How many tall buidings did Chechnya have?
I mean before the Russians knocked them all down.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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I see you know a lot about Afghanistan.Afghanistan doesn't have roads, or tall buildings. By the way the airport in Kabul was built by the US in the 1950s. The hydroelectric dam was also built by the US in the 1950s. These things are rotting. Afghanistan doesn't have any tall buildings to speak of. In fact all the buildings it does have are either mud huts or ones that are built with shoddy materials.
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Yup... somebody in my family was on assignment there.Originally posted by Serb
I see you know a lot about Afghanistan.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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A lot, and all of them were build by Russians. If you think that Chechens lived in tall buildings and were nice, peacefull people before russians, then you have no idea about the history of this conflict. You have no idea why Russians conquered Chechnya in 19 century. You have no idea about Chechens and Chechnya.Originally posted by The Mad Monk
How many tall buidings did Chechnya have?
You mean when bunch of crazy fantaics declared independence from Russia, started to cut throats and fill the streets of Grozny with rivers of blood?I mean before the Russians knocked them all down.Comment
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Let me guess...he taugh uncle Sam's mercinaries how to blow-up properly things that Russians build there , with maximum casualties, right?Originally posted by Fez
Yup... somebody in my family was on assignment there.Comment
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yep... It could've been fixed after WWII, but a certain mustached man was in the way. The bald man that replaced him wasn't a brilliant executive guy, and hardly wasn't a thinker.Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I take it that Azazel is disappointed in the way the Soviets betrayed communism, almost from the beginning.
I still stand by my words that the soviets were the good guys in Afghanistan.... Women's suffrage, land redistribution... of course the clans would hate that. It stands against everything both the west and the soviet union stood for. It's a shame that the US chose it's short-sighted geo-political goals over the welfare of a country, and it's advancement. sigh.Comment
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Well I guess an non-profit, non-government organization is equipping those mercenaries with SAM missiles?Originally posted by Serb
Let me guess...he taugh uncle Sam's mercinaries how to blow-up properly things that Russians build there , with maximum casualties, right?
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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It wasn't a short-sighted geo-political goal for Yanks. They tried to make Afghanistan the same trap for Soviets as Vietnam was for them and thus destroy the Soviets.Comment
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Actually that isn't correct. The Soviets wanted a fresh water port in Pakistan. They didn't give a **** about the Afghanis.Originally posted by Azazel
yep... It could've been fixed after WWII, but a certain mustached man was in the way. The bald man that replaced him wasn't a brilliant executive guy, and hardly wasn't a thinker.
I still stand by my words that the soviets were the good guys in Afghanistan.... Women's suffrage, land redistribution... of course the clans would hate that. It stands against everything both the west and the soviet union stood for. It's a shame that the US chose it's short-sighted geo-political goals over the welfare of a country, and it's advancement. sigh.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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