You think Iraq is bad? Look at Chechnya...

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Azazel



First of all, they're NOT volounteers. they're paid professionals. Now I OBVIOUSLY can see why wouldn't they want to get killed, or even be there. Du-h!!!But that's their job. They signed for it....

Stop laughing at my God-feauring comment. That's the sort of thin g you actuoally see on American TV. I'm getting another freezie.

[Az]

really?! I think my entire life to this point was rather sheltered.

[KrazyHorse]

You don't get US TV stations straight from thate source like I do.

[Az]

[Giancarlo]

I heard Poland and other nations are preparing to send 10,000 troops soon... first regiments of a polish division have arrived in Iraq already to ease pressure on the US forces.

And India will go when there is UN endorsement.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Fez
I heard Poland and other nations are preparing to send 10,000 troops soon... first regiments of a polish division have arrived in Iraq already to ease pressure on the US forces.

And India will go when there is UN endorsement.

The military superpower of Poland?

Had to know that was coming.

[Pekka]

Well..we get news from that area almost daily. Choppers gets downed all the time, mi-8s packed with officers etc.
They are skilled guerilla fighters, and have lots of experience. And it has gotten to a level where it is personal, since they both are doing war crimes at record pace. Yet peace activists are not very loud about that.. I wonder why.

[Az]

Because that's not bashing the US or Israel.

[Pekka]

but I must say, that I'm not on anyones side at this war.
I think Chechnya is right to fight, but they have those separatists, small terrorist groups doing crimes, so it's not like I'm on their side. But they have internal fight for power, lines are not unified, so it won't work in the near future as well. Russians have done so much crap there, that I'm not on their side either. But I understand their frustration, seen few documentaries, so it's not very peachy. Few months of training and then you get to be the fng there and expect to die soon. Not motivating. People lose their minds. Understandable. To me it's a stale mate, a dirty war from both sides and it will never stop until someone intervenes.

They should just kiss and make up.

[Pekka]

Azazel, true. Bunch of hypocrites, I think this war really needs to stop. But there is no international outcry. Actually, I could even respect people who would raise their voices, unbiased and demand it to stop. But no...

[Pekka]

Maybe I should send few Susie Q's there..

Ok outta here! TIME TO BBQ!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar



Let's be honest, the High water mark for the Red Army was Berlin, '45.

Let's be honest, US army hever had a sinle such high mark during its entire history.

They weren't doing to well in the late '70's and '80's in Afghanistan...while at the time the American Military was undergoing a paradigm shift. The American Military went away from "Numbers" and towards "technology and training, training, training, and did we mention training?"

Blah...blah...blah...
Aside your troops in Afghanistan today and who hide their asses in Kabul, Soviet army actually controlled this God damn country during ten years and lost four times less soldiers than Americans lost in Vietnam.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Waits for Serb to remind us how well the war is going

Army is withdrawing. Local Chechen police will handle the situation now. Currently there are about only 20 000 troops.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Re: Re: You think Iraq is bad? Look at Chechnya...

Originally posted by LaRusso


well you can apply an economic analysis of war (akin to economics of law)
two soldiers of 101st division cost more (in terms of training ) than those 8 Russians
alternatively, Iraq is flat as a pan.

Actually, that's a common REMF / civvie (even worse) mistake. Not counting the major terrain, since there's no action there, almost anyplace "flat" has enough variations in it's terrain to provide cover/concealment for small force tactics.

Then there's the urban areas, etc., with their 3D battlefield issues.

in any case, this is more guerilla resistance than i have expected. arabs never fought properly in the field, but this really looks like a proper guerilla war.

Not nearly. There's a lot of hardware lying around, and small groups can be opportunistic for quite a while. The ability to coordinate, resupply, etc. hasn't been demonstrated. What they're essentially forcing at this point is a deciding point on just how we handle the local populace in trying to root out these *******s? Do we back away, or do we escalate forcefully, and maybe piss a few more people off?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Yeah, seriously. The thread title might as well said "Serb! Git yer arse over here!"

So, here I am. What now?