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  • #46
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    Yes. Why would I care about the hardware?


    Ok, then... don't you also think that perhaps Apple users everywhere might benefit if it had a competitor on Apple hardware? Instead of Apple trying to prevent any 3rd parties from doing anything to help the user?
    Actually, they do. IBM and Motorola both make processors for the Mac platform. Although Moto is looking to sell its semiconductor business to another company. When that happens, it's very likely that the other company will pick up where Moto left off and hopefully do a much better job than Moto by putting a lot of R&D $ into its semiconductor business.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Ted Striker

      I've used every OS known to mankind but nobody, I mean nobody, comes as close to XP as having a usable, service desktop.
      And you can predict how things would have been if MS didn't have a monopoly?
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #48
        People who can't understand why Linux will thrash Windows don't understand economics.


        Really? Please educate the Economics B.A.'s here . Saying all businesses only use Windows and Microsoft products because it is easily pirated is one of the most ridiculous statements you've ever uttered .
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Agathon
          People who can't understand why Linux will thrash Windows don't understand economics.
          People who can't understand why Linux is not going to dominate don't understand economics.

          If Open Source was genuinely cheaper, don't you think more people would use it?

          Look at how many billions of dollars IBM invests in Linux. They just hired some hundred more software engineers the other day to develop PowerPC Linux products because they underestimated the laziness of the open source development community, no one was making the code they thought they would.

          Netscape just fired its main 50 software engineers for Mozilla and spun off all copyrights to the Mozilla foundation.

          A simple analysis of the situation will tell you that Open Source is not the holy grail. It's another way to approach computing products, it's certainly not better (nor is it worse, mind you).

          It's just not effective in most cases.

          Surely you'll make the case about how Linux is increasing marketshare in the server/workstation market? Windows is increasing as well, faster in fact when you take into accout volume...

          You also grossly underestimate the support/services aspect. Hell, Dell was just given hundreds of millions on a contract with the US Government and all they're doing is providing support.

          The upfront cost of the software is a tiny factor in TCO.
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          • #50
            Ok, then... don't you also think that perhaps Apple users everywhere might benefit if it had a competitor on Apple hardware? Instead of Apple trying to prevent any 3rd parties from doing anything to help the user?


            I can see it both ways. Sure, it would be nice for customers if a lower cost hardware alternative existed that ran Mac OS. Then again, Apple is dependent on hardware sales to survive, so allowing clones to take over the market might end up killing off the Mac OS entirely. Also, having to design the Mac OS for innumerable hardware configurations might turn Mac OS into bloatware like XP. A diverse choice of hardware isn't necessarily a good thing.
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            • #51
              Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, Agathon.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Asher

                You are a stunning example of why Philosophy people are laughed down upon on campuses all across the world.
                Only on campuses like your third rate agricultural college. Go to a real university and you'll find it's different. I've had several CS students in my classes.

                Of course you have to be good to get in to such a university - so I'm afraid you're screwed.
                Only feebs vote.

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                • #53
                  Apparently rumour has it that it also "phones home" every so often.


                  It does. You need to find the "Microsoft Database Daemon" and throw it in the Trash if you don't want to be spied on. Threw mine away a while ago and it greatly improved my system performance.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Agathon
                    The only reason Asher is in a good position to talk about bull**** is that the dirty dog smells it's own smell first.
                    "Takes one to know one!" How swell, Agathon, you soar to new heights.

                    The guy is a dope when it comes to economics and business anyway.
                    If you removed the "a", you'd be absolutely correct. I've clearly got a better understanding of the economics and business world than you.
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                    • #55
                      Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, Agathon.


                      Yes they do. I don't see how you can deny this obvious fact.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Asher

                        If Open Source was genuinely cheaper, don't you think more people would use it?
                        It's not just the price, there are issues of compatibility etc. You know this so stop trolling.

                        Look at how many billions of dollars IBM invests in Linux. They just hired some hundred more software engineers the other day to develop PowerPC Linux products because they underestimated the laziness of the open source development community, no one was making the code they thought they would.
                        Your point being? I'm not one of these digital anarchists. I think it's great that IBM is investing money in Linux. Everyone benefits.

                        A simple analysis of the situation will tell you that Open Source is not the holy grail. It's another way to approach computing products, it's certainly not better (nor is it worse, mind you).
                        Better for some, worse for others.

                        It's just not effective in most cases.
                        I never said it was. You must have mistaken me for someone else.

                        Surely you'll make the case about how Linux is increasing marketshare in the server/workstation market? Windows is increasing as well, faster in fact when you take into accout volume...
                        We'll see. My claim is that Linux will dominate sooner or later. Give it 5 years and then come back.
                        Only feebs vote.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Agathon


                          Only on campuses like your third rate agricultural college. Go to a real university and you'll find it's different. I've had several CS students in my classes.

                          Of course you have to be good to get in to such a university - so I'm afraid you're screwed.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Agathon
                            Only on campuses like your third rate agricultural college. Go to a real university and you'll find it's different. I've had several CS students in my classes.
                            The UofT sucks for CompSci. The UofC kicks their ass in the ACM Programming Championships...

                            And the UofC isn't an agricultural college...hell, we don't even offer agricultural courses (IIRC, Saskatchewan is big on that).

                            It's a geomatics/geology/geophysics/medicine school mostly, with a great CS department.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Agathon


                              I think Ted Striker forgot that MS bought this stake in Apple because they were worried about the DOJ.
                              Who cares about the reason. They own part of it, plain and simple. Though the version I remember at the time that "Apple was in trouble."

                              People who can't understand why Linux will thrash Windows don't understand economics. Businesses use MS software because it was artificially cheap in that you could pirate one copy of word onto all your machines. Now MS is preventing people from doing that by installing spyware on your machine.
                              Ahh yes, I've heard this argument since 1995. Over and over again. "We'll have our day!!!" Well. I'm waiting.

                              I have NEVER worked for a company or a school that didn't keep track of every single license of software they use. The penalties for pirating software far outweigh trying to get away with it and saving a few bucks. Trust me I've seen it happen.

                              Secondly it's only geeks that think Linux will overtake Microsoft. Geeks can't think mainstream because they are geeks. They accept standards other people don't play by. When I see the word "GNU" then honestly the first thing I think of is the word, "mediocre."

                              The user interfaces are unattractive. The distributions are bloated and nonintuitive, and not tested for enterprise level work. And the only apps that DO have a chance are lucky to have had millions of dollars of corporate backing by IBM and Oracle. And then you still have to pay ALOT for IBM's and Oracle's software on Linux anyway.

                              The distributions that are intuitive owe their success to copying Windows-like interfaces.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                                Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, Agathon.


                                Yes they do. I don't see how you can deny this obvious fact.
                                No they don't. A real monopoly is one like the Kuwaiti Petroleum Company (or something along those lines). It is the only company that does oil extraction in Kuwait.

                                Microsoft has Linux... and since Apple puts out Mac OS it is also considered a competitor.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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