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    So you're the ruling elite of a big powerful nation, and you wan't to know how to further your position by being an empire. Empires are afterall built to service ruling elites, so here's how you go about it.

    First, call all emperial campaigns of acquisition 'missions of mercy', to 'further the lot of fellow human beings' by bringing them- I dunno, the one true religion or something, or 'freedom and democracy'.

    Justify your support of local warlords and militarist collaborators by saying you have to to defend 'freedom' even if it means having to work with less savoury characters (if they're not unsavoury enough when you buy them- train them up in military colleges so they know how to torture, kidnap, blackmail and kill more effectively).

    When you send armies out to crush upstart chieftains and renegade monarchs with your own forces, call it a 'police action', make yourself out to be 'reluctantly' defending the rights of ungrateful foreigners, allow people to call you the 'worlds policeman' perhaps. This means your PR is working.

    Once you've screwed up enough countries so nobody could possibly rival your way of doing things, you'll find you have a bunch of 'loser countries'... no, let's call them 'Developing World' countries, where you can pay the workforce chump-change to make goods you then sell at home for a significant markup. You and your fellow Elitebridge University buddies can pocket the difference. You can buy as many resources as you need at cut-rate prices. Your corporations and trading-organizations don't have to pay the local taxes, and nobody gives you hastle about health issues or environmental matters because their weak, and need your 'investment'.

    The ignorant masses back home will fall for it every time, their knowledge of the rest of the world comes from news organizations that tow the corporate line, and anyway wave a flag at em and display their bloated army so they feel powerful, and that its all being done in their name. Associate your interest with their interest, this can be done with a little thing called 'patriotism', or at least your version of it- sold vigoruously.

    The herds of wage-earners will never figure out that your spending their tax-dinars to build an army to look after your corporate interests. They wont put it together that you'll move their jobs overseas to where you have arranged for people to be paid pebble-money. They'll probably agree with you when you tell them welfare for people sucks, but won't know enough to complain of the welfare for corporations you happily dish out by the billions every year, for corpos owned by yourself and your buddies.

    This is only a sketch of how it should be done, other details were not included because well, I'm lazy. But this is how Norway does it, and nobody suspects a thing.
    Last edited by problem_child; July 16, 2003, 09:52.
    Freedom Doesn't March.

    -I.

  • #2
    I was almost convinced that you were ranting about america...
    I'm not a complete idiot: some parts are still missing.

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    • #3
      Nice analysis problem_child. I wonder how long does it take for people to be fed up with Norways arrogant and criminal behaviour.
      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

      - Paul Valery

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      • #4
        I think he is, after all I don't recall norway waging wars, and having a huge army to protect their interests... Actually the Norway elite uses the Americans to do that for them just like everyone else (dumb suckers )

        You also forgot that they will cover up deficits by turning the public attention to other things such as wars, etc...

        I do recall California (and most other states in the US) running out of money... Best thing to do is let the media you 'own' just cover that up a bit. The elite will stay rich and wealthy as usual, too bad the regulars will have to be fired, etc, to cut down expenses but hey who cares!
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        • #5
          that's how bush should have done it. he made the cardinal sin of removing all of that liberalism-based window dressing.

          that's why so many got pissed off.

          the way america used to work was to pretend to hold the tenets of liberalism dear, and then make power calculations and political moves based on realism.

          that earned us a lot less ire.
          B♭3

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          • #6
            Re: Best way to disguise an empire?

            Originally posted by problem_child
            So your the ruling elite of a big powerful nation, and you wan't to know how to further your position by being an empire.
            Why would I bother to hide it though?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              DinoDoc: Cause' sometimes you gotta be patient to get...
              One billion square miles *raises pinky to mouth*
              cIV list: cheats
              Now watch this drive!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MattH
                DinoDoc: Cause' sometimes you gotta be patient to get...
                One billion square miles *raises pinky to mouth*
                Bah! I have 2 continents I can play with without bothering to pay attention to outside concerns. North and South America will be my dominion.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: Best way to disguise an empire?

                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Why would I bother to hide it though?
                  Because there are more of the masses then there are of the 'cream', if you wan't to keep milking them you need to keep em cooperative.

                  America has nothing to do with this, she is a peaceloving nation that can well afford her modest military and whose government is not over $30 Billion dollars in dept at all. Unlike those Norwegians, whose military/industrial elites doth bestraddle the world like an unsustainable collosus.
                  Last edited by problem_child; July 16, 2003, 09:33.
                  Freedom Doesn't March.

                  -I.

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                  • #10
                    And if you don't believe me about Norways use of an hidden imperialism to further its own ends, here is a UN list.

                    The UN has published it's Human Development Report 2003. The HDI measures achievements in terms of life expectancy, educational attainment and adjusted real income.

                    1 Norway
                    2 Iceland
                    3 Sweden
                    4 Australia
                    5 Netherlands
                    6 Belgium
                    7 United States
                    8 Canada
                    9 Japan
                    10 Switzerland
                    11 Denmark
                    12 Ireland
                    13 United Kingdom
                    14 Finland
                    15 Luxembourg
                    16 Austria
                    17 France
                    18 Germany
                    19 Spain
                    20 New Zealand
                    21 Italy
                    22 Israel
                    23 Portugal
                    24 Greece
                    25 Cyprus
                    26 Hong Kong,China (SAR)
                    27 Barbados
                    28 Singapore
                    29 Slovenia
                    30 Korea,Rep. of
                    31 Brunei Darussalam
                    32 Czech Republic
                    33 Malta
                    34 Argentina
                    35 Poland
                    36 Seychelles
                    37 Bahrain
                    38 Hungary
                    39 Slovakia
                    40 Uruguay
                    41 Estonia
                    42 Costa Rica
                    43 Chile
                    44 Qatar
                    45 Lithuania
                    46 Kuwait
                    47 Croatia
                    48 United Arab Emirates
                    49 Bahamas
                    50 Latvia
                    51 Saint Kitts and Nevis
                    52 Cuba
                    56 Antigua and Barbuda
                    57 Bulgaria
                    58 Malaysia
                    59 Panama
                    60 Macedonia,TFYR
                    61 Libyan Arab
                    Jamahiriya
                    62 Mauritius
                    63 Russian Federation
                    64 Colombia
                    65 Brazil
                    66 Bosnia and
                    Herzegovina
                    67 Belize
                    68 Dominica
                    69 Venezuela
                    70 Samoa (Western)
                    71 Saint Lucia
                    72 Romania
                    73 Saudi Arabia
                    74 Thailand
                    75 Ukraine
                    76 Kazakhstan
                    77 Suriname
                    78 Jamaica
                    79 Oman
                    80 St.Vincent and
                    the Grenadines
                    81 Fiji
                    82 Peru
                    83 Lebanon
                    84 Paraguay
                    85 Philippines
                    86 Maldives
                    87 Turkmenistan
                    88 Georgia
                    89 Azerbaijan
                    90 Jordan
                    91 Tunisia
                    92 Guyana
                    93 Grenada
                    94 Dominican Republic
                    95 Albania
                    96 Turkey
                    97 Ecuador
                    98 Occupied Palestinian
                    Territories
                    99 Sri Lanka
                    100 Armenia
                    101 Uzbekistan
                    102 Kyrgyzstan
                    103 Cape Verde
                    104 China
                    105 El Salvador
                    106 Iran, Islamic Rep. of
                    107 Algeria
                    108 Moldova,Rep.of
                    109 Viet Nam
                    110 Syrian Arab Republic
                    111 South Africa
                    112 Indonesia
                    113 Tajikistan
                    114 Bolivia
                    115 Honduras
                    116 Equatorial Guinea
                    117 Mongolia
                    118 Gabon
                    119 Guatemala
                    120 Egypt
                    121 Nicaragua
                    122 São Tomé and
                    Principe
                    123 Solomon Islands
                    124 Namibia
                    125 Botswana
                    126 Morocco
                    127 India
                    128 Vanuatu
                    129 Ghana
                    130 Cambodia
                    131 Myanmar
                    132 Papua New Guinea
                    133 Swaziland
                    134 Comoros
                    135 Lao People’s
                    Dem.Rep.
                    136 Bhutan
                    137 Lesotho
                    138 Sudan
                    139 Bangladesh
                    140 Congo
                    141 Togo
                    Low human development
                    142 Cameroon
                    143 Nepal
                    144 Pakistan
                    145 Zimbabwe
                    146 Kenya
                    147 Uganda
                    148 Yemen
                    149 Madagascar
                    150 Haiti
                    151 Gambia
                    152 Nigeria
                    153 Djibouti
                    154 Mauritania
                    155 Eritrea
                    156 Senegal
                    157 Guinea
                    158 Rwanda
                    159 Benin
                    160 Tanzania, U.Rep. of
                    161 Côte d’Ivoire
                    162 Malawi
                    163 Zambia
                    164 Angola
                    165 Chad
                    166 Guinea-Bissau
                    167 Congo,Dem.Rep. of the
                    168 Central African Republic
                    169 Ethiopia
                    170 Mozambique
                    171 Burundi
                    172 Mali
                    173 Burkina Faso
                    174 Niger
                    175 Sierra Leone

                    Norway is at the top, how else could it have achieved this without the rabid imperialism of it's ruling class?
                    Freedom Doesn't March.

                    -I.

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                    • #11
                      I think that makes it 97.654% certain that you are right.
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                      • #12
                        The real stealth country isn't even on the list, Mexico. Phase I of the master plan is a success.
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                        • #13
                          All should fear Mexico.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            That's it. I"m moving to Norway. Screw this land of the free crap - terrorists can come to the states to train as commercial airplane pilots and weapons experts, but my friends from Manchester can't stay because their visas have expired and the US won't issue any more.

                            I guess it's all those Manichaean terrorists in America. I mean, I know I'm supposed to feel safer, but somehow I really don't.
                            -30-

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                            • #15
                              The land of my ancestors is #1.
                              To live long... EAT FISH.





                              Actually, many countries are technically empires because they encompass many cultures. The US is not a single nation, a nation is a group united by culture acording to the definition in a politcal science textbook I have read. The US is a state, but not a nation. Ancient greece was a nation, but not a state. An empire is a state encompassing several conquered nations, so all the countries in the new world are empires.

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