Conscription

[Velociryx]

That's cool.... And your choices are the same as DF's. Either work with the existing system to change it, or defy the system and be grown up enough to accept the consequences, or go somewhere else. Simple.

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

I'll be damned if my son will fight in those wars.

Out of curiosity, how would you stop him if he decided to enlist (conscription isn't coming back folks)?

If he wants his college money he wont do it.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
There is a simple reason why I support conscription. If the government and state is about to fall to an invader, I think that government and state should be able to force people into its defense. Why? Because it is better than the alternative. What happens when the government and state falls? First a period of anarchy and then rule by the invader. Needless to say if the invader is attacking a democratic republic, then it probably isn't one itself.

So in the end its a balancing of evils. You take the one that, in the end, is less evil.

But why should this decision not be made by the people?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kidicious
If he wants his college money he wont do it.

Uncle Sam gives college money.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Uncle Sam gives college money.

I don't think he actually just gives it. You have to pay for it. I worked 80 hours a week while I was on deployment. The way I figure it Uncle Sam didn't give me ****. He still owes me.

[Velociryx]

Oh here we go again.... I'm a good guy, and should be paid handsomely for being so....the government, or those who have more, or someone(anyone) "owes" me. God forbid I make my own opportunities, or take responsibility for making my own future. Nahhh....can't have that.

-=Vel=-

PS: And yes, Uncle Sam does both, providing both free money and low interest loans for people who qualify. But again, heaven forbid that we be called on to serve the country that makes all this opportunity possible. Much preferable to simply enjoy the opportunity without paying for it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But why should this decision not be made by the people?

They do. It's called Congress.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

But why should this decision not be made by the people?

They do. It's called Congress.

No. Congress is rich white people like Vel. It is not the people.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Oh here we go again.... I'm a good guy, and should be paid handsomely for being so....the government, or those who have more, or someone(anyone) "owes" me. God forbid I make my own opportunities, or take responsibility for making my own future. Nahhh....can't have that.

-=Vel=-

PS: And yes, Uncle Sam does both, providing both free money and low interest loans for people who qualify. But again, heaven forbid that we be called on to serve the country that makes all this opportunity possible. Much preferable to simply enjoy the opportunity without paying for it.

You do have to serve your country to get theose benefits numb nuts.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No. Congress is rich white people like Vel. It is not the people.

I'll be sure to tell Charles Rangel to change his skin color for you .

Congress is the people. They are the representatives of the populace and stand in for them to articulate what their people want.

[Velociryx]

1) Vel is hardly "rich white people" - I have to get up every morning and work, just like the vast majority of Americans. Even if you use a loose definition of "rich" I'm almost certainly not.

2) Congress is elected by the people to represent us and our interests. If you don't like the things the government is doing, elect someone whose view are more in alignment with your own. If you really want to change things, start a grass-roots movement so that people who share your views are elected in numerous other states as well.

3) Yes, I know you have to serve your country to get those benefits. You're the one who seems to have trouble comprehending that....

-=Vel=-

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Congress is the people. They are the representatives of the populace and stand in for them to articulate what their people want.

I agree with representative govt. It's the best way to protect minorities, and knowledgable people are needed to make some decisions. But there is no reason that Congress should make the decision to send other people kids to die in war. This decision should be made by the people. Unless you can give me a good reason otherwise.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
3) Yes, I know you have to serve your country to get those benefits. You're the one who seems to have trouble comprehending that....

-=Vel=-

They don't GIVE it away. Pay attention to context.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But there is no reason that Congress should make the decision to send other people kids to die in war.

That's what they are there for! They have war making powers.

And btw, they are the people, being their representatives and all. All your protestations won't change that.

[Velociryx]

Okay...here it is:

Because we live in a representative democracy, not an absolute one, and IN this representative democracy, it falls to our elected officials to decide matters of state (including whether and how to wage wage a war). Our constitution allows for that. In short, that's the way things are, and the way things should remain, unless YOU can give us some compelling reason to change it, and convince a sufficient number of people to affect large numbers of elections.

How's that for starters?

-=Vel=-