Damn weedheads...

[monolith94]

Hey, Speer, I have a hypothesis -
If the Ku Klux Klan has smoked weed, there would have been alot less murder and lynchings of blacks and civil rights workers in the South.

[SlowwHand]

Frankly, yes. On both groups.

[Sava]

Frankly, yes. On both groups.

[chequita guevara]

Given that the Panthers were not a seperatist group nor a Black supremacy group nor did they wantonly murder white folks and that the Panthers actively sought white support, Sloww's statement fails to meet the reality test . . . .

Unless he's talking about the New Black Panthers, who are basically a bunch of Nation of Islam clones.

[SlowwHand]

I'm talking Bobby Seale, Angela Davis, and all concerned.

[chequita guevara]

When did you ever meet Bobby Seale or Angela Davis? I've met Angie Davis. Now there's a woman with charisma, wow!



And why do you have two commie's quoted in your sig? I thought you didn't like us?

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
i got more of a problem with the little four year old seeing the begging weedhead ask his pop for drugs. do you people not find anything wrong with a little boy like that being around durg abusers?

Agreed. That's part of my ideal environment, one in which I have confidence that children won't grow up in a casual barter atmosphere of sh*t that holds near everyone who uses back. I don't want children having their travels routinely dosed with potheads scoring a bag, cokenoses a line and junkies a f*cking spoon right in front of their impressionable eyes. At the same time, guess what - I'm one of the aforementioned three!

Oh yes, "think of the children" - how lame of me. Yet the fact remains that GROWING UP in this atmosphere will lead to a higher instance of drug usage, and higher instances of drug usage = a higher rate of lives messed up and overall depression of the community. Regardless of what you who use "responsibly" say of your own experiences - drugs stagnate and f*ck lives up more often than they mend or improve; you surely can't argue with that.

In short, it's everyones right to use - but it's not YOUR right to peddle filth on a casual note with a child as DIRECT intrigued audience. Talk about forcing morality on others

[Sava]

Ironically, Speer, the prohibition of marijuana and drugs is what leads to the public barter you are complaining about. Instead of going to a licensed dealer or private business to buy substances, people are forced to sell and buy on a black market... which attracts criminal elements. So while you may not realize it, you are arguing against prohibition.

[SlowwHand]

I haven't met a lot of people. I haven't met you.
That doesn't stop me from knowing you're a putz , nor does it stop me from knowing Bobby, Stokely, or Angela were people of violence and their own bigotry; just as David Duke is.

[Zylka]

Ironically, Speer, the prohibition of marijuana and drugs is what leads to the public barter you are complaining about. Instead of going to a licensed dealer or private business to buy substances, people are forced to sell and buy on a black market... which attracts criminal elements. So while you may not realize it, you are arguing against prohibition.

Oh, that's correct. If we legalize substances like marijuana, absinthe and methamphetamines - people will surely keep their use and intoxication politely hidden away indoors. Nossir, no increase of stoners smoking in public and reinforcing an even bleaker chance of use among youth. No panhandling for a crank fix, or people tying up with needles out on a park bench. Wonderful idea to keep substance abuse hidden away!

Funny truth is, as*holes will do it, just as they do with
"legitimate" substances today. Buddy the homeless wonder offered to sell me an open beer he had half drank for a dollar on Canada Day, for instance. That was infront of Holt Renfrew, nonetheless. Get a f*cking clue

[Sava]

Hey Zylka... how many people approach you, offering to sell you "Moonshine"?

[Zylka]

Hey Sava, notice how I just gave you an example pertaining to the exact drug you're trying to stump me on? You can ask me how often I'm approached to buy draino, for all I care. This man was trying to pawn off open alcohol in public which had swashed about in his homeless mouth. What don't you see as a problem, here?

[Sava]

Ahh yes, so one homeless man is going to dictate your entire national drug policy... good plan

[Zylka]

Ahh yes, so one homeless man is going to dictate your entire national drug policy... good plan

A little bit more than that, queen melodrama.

Yet may I first ask - what exactly is shaping your opinion on the subject? Your complete lack of experience in urban culture’s illicit trading? Your complete lack of experience with a range of drugs relevant to discussion? Your complete lack of witness to the sh*t it causes in the majority of users lives, whether subtle or outright painful? Perhaps your lack of firsthand experience dealing and sharing with these people in an institutional setting? Why did you even sarcastically ask me if people were peddling alcohol to myself in a non designated environment - expecting me to say no and then bringing up desperate sarcasm when the answer is "yes"?

Oh I must ask, what so brought you here to preach the joys of free market drug culture when you have not a clue what the life of substance use and abuse entails. Was it that joint a res-rat four dorms down smoked with you your freshman year? What exactly dictates YOUR entire national drug policy - because so far it (more so than mine) seems a good plan

[Berzerker]

Zylka -

Huh? I'm saying Albert and I have the right to treat people begging for drugs on the streets like the irritating individuals they are.

Al is slamming millions of people, including people here at Apolyton.

Of course they can do so if they please, but stating that dissaproval of such actions is cramming morality down the throats of others is a bit much.

Al wants it illegal for people to use weed and uses this guy on a bus to support his desire. That means blacks are justified in hating whites based on the actions of the KKK and whites are justified in hating blacks because of OJ Simpson. Just about every evil in the world can be traced back to this desire to punish one group of people for the actions of another, and you think that's just fine?

Do you expect everyone to just shut up and gayly live and let live with such intrusion?

A guy asking another guy for pot is not an intrusion, putting millions in jail for exercising their freedom is an intrusion.

Each individual acts according to their own desire for environment - and if I want to treat someone I percieve as a smackhead as*hole as smackhead ash*hole, I'll do so. If you don't find the need to the same, then you can happily and fairly stick your role out as background noise - as far as I'm concerned

You ignored my point, don't complain about open air drug markets when they exist because drugs are illegal.

Oh, that's correct. If we legalize substances like marijuana, absinthe and methamphetamines - people will surely keep their use and intoxication politely hidden away indoors.

If they don't, punish them, not the millions who keep it indoors.

Nossir, no increase of stoners smoking in public and reinforcing an even bleaker chance of use among youth.

Why do countries where pot is legal for adults have lower rates of consumption among minors? The public has the right to regulate or ban drug use on public property, using that as an excuse to regulate or ban personal behavior on private property is communistic (contempt for private property and freedom).

No panhandling for a crank fix, or people tying up with needles out on a park bench. Wonderful idea to keep substance abuse hidden away!

I'd rather see people panhandling for crack money than robbing 7-11's or my home. But thanks to you guys, the cost of drugs is inflated because they are illegal thereby increasing the chance crack users will rob people.

Yet may I first ask - what exactly is shaping your opinion on the subject?

Freedom and morality.

Your complete lack of experience in urban culture’s illicit trading? Your complete lack of experience with a range of drugs relevant to discussion?

I have more experience than you on both, but since you're telling others to get a ****ing clue, how about taking a moment to consider the implications of the word "illicit" in your statement? When was the last time alcohol dealers had shootouts on city streets over marketshare?

Your complete lack of witness to the sh*t it causes in the majority of users lives, whether subtle or outright painful?

I've used a variety of drugs in my time on this planet and the only "sh*t" it caused me was people like you and Al sticking your noses into my life. Btw, where do you get your stats? A majority of drug users have caused "sh*t" in their lives? Nonsense! Roughly 80 million Americans have used illegal drugs and maybe %3 became addicted. And I'd bet most of them had serious emotional problems long before they ever used drugs...

Oh I must ask, what so brought you here to preach the joys of free market drug culture when you have not a clue what the life of substance use and abuse entails. Was it that joint a res-rat four dorms down smoked with you your freshman year? What exactly dictates YOUR entire national drug policy - because so far it (more so than mine) seems a good plan

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/graphs/10.htm

Take a look at that graph and tell us about the success of ideas you've adopted.