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  • #46
    Originally posted by Fez


    Don't start up with the Spanish civil war.. it seems like you know nothing about it. The nationalists had more support than you would imagine.
    Like you'd know anything about it, Fezzy-wezzy?
    When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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    • #47
      Well it is my country... and arrogant foreigners don't know anything about it.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #48
        Weren't you Argentinian Fez?
        Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

        - Paul Valery

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        • #49
          Originally posted by laurentius
          Weren't you Argentinian Fez?
          Some also claim I am a right-wing communist.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #50
            So wich is it?
            Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

            - Paul Valery

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            • #51
              Originally posted by laurentius
              So wich is it?
              I am a euro-boy. Born in Madrid..
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #52
                I see
                You know, golden-boy sounds much better
                Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                - Paul Valery

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by laurentius
                  I see
                  You know, golden-boy sounds much better
                  pardon my bad english... but what is a golden boy?
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #54
                    You remember that euro-pop song from 1996?
                    Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                    - Paul Valery

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by laurentius
                      You remember that euro-pop song from 1996?
                      I had to get a PDA so I could remember phone numbers... you think I would remember a name of a song? No I don't know about it.. tell me...
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #56
                        Well, actually this one's painfully hard to forget
                        And awfully hard to find from CDDB apparently. This is it
                        Sin with Sebastian - Golden Boy 1995

                        Probably the most gay music video ever made
                        Last edited by laurentius; July 14, 2003, 04:59.
                        Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                        - Paul Valery

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                        • #57
                          A.k.a Golden boy(shut up and sleep with me)


                          Last edited by laurentius; July 14, 2003, 04:58.
                          Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                          - Paul Valery

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                          • #58
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #59
                              In the west historically (as elsewhere too) the military classes were tied into the ruling classes - particulary to the landed aristocracies, and to a lesser extent to the high bourgeois. Despite flirtations with warlike leftism (like the Jacobins) it thus made sense in the 19th c for almost all elements in the left to be hostile to the uniformed military. Some anarachist and other elements were drawn to the left for a revolutionary "anti-bourgeois" lifestyle, and thus were deeply hostile to the military life, regardless of class ties. Other elements were less pacifist, but wanted a more democratic military, with less tie ins to elitist interests - this historically worked itself out in debates about long service regulars versus draftees, and about using active soldiers versus reservists. Thus pre-WW1 French Socialists opposed increase in terms of service for conscripts from 2 years to 3 years, not necessarily out of pacifism, but to keep the Army dependent on reservists, who were more deeply embedded in the working class, and less likely to be a pliable force in the hands of the officer corps.

                              ultimately there are 3 tendencies in the left wrt to military affairs - an anarchist-pacifist strain, hostile to all organized militaries - a communist one, not pacifist but hostile to the "bourgeiois" state, willing to support the military of revolutionary states, and willing to grudgingly support the military of bourgeios states in alliance with communists states (EG western allies during WW2) and a social democratic tendency, willing to support militaries but pressing for democratic reform.
                              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                              • #60
                                Kissinger is a war criminal and should be put to death. But to Fez, he's a credible source.
                                To us, it is the BEAST.

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