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**Sava** · July 10, 2003, 14:22

It is hard to get a smoking gun. Software piracy? Much easier.

this only adds to my argument that those other "divisions" should get more resources and manpower to focus on getting the criminals who cost taxpayers billions.

**Pekka** · July 10, 2003, 14:27

But I'm ot trying to take it away from FBI. Their operation buccaneer still was a success. They did manage to get the few groups that were the most legendary, sophisticated and productive. And they sent a clear message that they are coming after you if you do this kind of stuff. I'm sometimes defending downloaders and all, but I dont defend these guys. They actually do damage to the businesses, even though they don't benefit themselves anything else than 'fame', but still.. the demand is too huge to be destroyed, so going after top releasers is effective. There will be always new groups, new guys trying their wings, but they're not so many in the very top level where they are able to release softwares and OS's before official releasing dates. And it doesn't mean they shouldn't fight it because there will be always new guys. So, FBI had a good day

Az · July 10, 2003, 14:37

Razor1911?

I remember them from junior high.

**Imran Siddiqui** · July 10, 2003, 14:40

this only adds to my argument that those other "divisions" should get more resources and manpower to focus on getting the criminals who cost taxpayers billions.

They already do. They get the majority of the funding. There are just other laws that also need to be upheld as well. You can't ignore the little laws and only focus on the big laws... that's silly. And the manpower that works in piracy can't be easily transfered to corporate criminals.

**Main_Brain** · July 10, 2003, 14:52

Its Discrimination! In Asia noone cares.

**DinoDoc** · July 10, 2003, 14:54

I'm still curious why Sava feels we shouldn't prosecute computer crimes.

**Imran Siddiqui** · July 10, 2003, 14:56

Because he likes to warez

**FrustratedPoet** · July 10, 2003, 14:57

Originally posted by muxec
FPoet, its really waste of money. There are millions of people who share warez and thousands of those who crack software. So USA simply has no enought room in the jails.

So just because catching the criminals is difficult it must automatically follow that they shouldn't be pursued? You may as well legalise it in that case.

Since when is "everybody does it" a viable defense of any crime?

**Lefty Scaevola** · July 10, 2003, 15:40

Originally posted by Sava
I'm outraged because there are REAL threats to society running around out there.

They will get around to you sooner or later.

**Sava** · July 10, 2003, 15:40

I'm still curious why Sava feels we shouldn't prosecute computer crimes.

We should! We should be putting the people in jail who copy software and sell it. Not leechers... and certainly not at the expense of investigating people who actually COST me money.

edit: I'm still curious why DD feels we shouldn't prosecute corporate criminals and find terrorists.

**Imran Siddiqui** · July 10, 2003, 16:30

We should! We should be putting the people in jail who copy software and sell it. Not leechers... and certainly not at the expense of investigating people who actually COST me money.

You do realize that copyright laws don't just apply to people who sell software. Distribution can be free as well.

As for the second part, WHY are you against this successful arrest again? Do you have any proof that this came at the expense of investigating corporate criminals? Basically: Put up or shut up.

**gunkulator** · July 10, 2003, 17:10

Originally posted by Sava
We should! We should be putting the people in jail who copy software and sell it. Not leechers... and certainly not at the expense of investigating people who actually COST me money.

Sava you really need to think before you post. If you buy software, you are paying an additional cost foisted on legitamate buyers to cover the cost of those who COULD pay for it but don't because they pirate it.

**Sava** · July 10, 2003, 17:30

WHY are you against this successful arrest again? Do you have any proof that this came at the expense of investigating corporate criminals?

I'm not against this arrest. I'm against at wasting resources on pseudo-criminals. My proof is simple. The amount of money and manpower the justice dept. has is finite. The amount of money spent on everything is proportional to the whole. More in one area means less in another. It's a simple math concept. Hopefully, you can understand it.

Sava you really need to think before you post. If you buy software, you are paying an additional cost foisted on legitamate buyers to cover the cost of those who COULD pay for it but don't because they pirate it.

Oh please... that's just another excuse for higher prices. If I weren't going to buy say, "Age of Mythology" and I still downloaded it, they aren't losing any money whatsoever. Losing money means you would have gotten it regardless of piracy. And that simply isn't the case. Every game I've ever downloaded is a game I wouldn't have bought. Obviously, my experiences can't speak for everyone, but as with most college students, I don't have much money to spend on computer games. To say that my "piracy" causes these companies to lose money is flagrantly false... and a baseless assertion at best.

It's an excuse created to cover for poor sales. The RIAA does it also. It's a crock, untrue, and only utter morons believe it.

file-sharing

lying corporations

wasting money on prosecuting piracy at the expense of REAL JUSTICE

**FrustratedPoet** · July 10, 2003, 17:41

/me throws his hands up in the air and, instead of calling Sava a total fool, has a beer.
/me offers Sava a beer too

**DinoDoc** · July 10, 2003, 17:43

I was curious when the thread would reach this level of stupidity.

/me takes Sava's beer as just recompense for the annoyance he's recieved

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