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**Asher** · July 12, 2003, 01:20

Exhibit A: Mentally defficient; incapable of understanding what a wink smilie means.

**Drake Tungsten** · July 12, 2003, 01:21

You didn't have a winking smilie on the post before that, genius.

**St Leo** · July 12, 2003, 01:21

IBM and Sun are cool.

Yes, Apple is eviller than Microsoft because they are a VERTICAL company. They make the hardware and the software. They would be a much worse monopoly.

However:
- Microsoft is a monopoly and it does leverage its market share to kill off superior competition. For example, it recently undercut a done deal in Thailand by selling its software for pennies to the Thai government. Obviously, their price will be higher once the Thais are locked in while the competition will have been hobbled.
-Mac OS X is architecturally superior to WinXP. BeOS was superior to both, but Microsoft killed it off with draconian anti-dualbooting clauses in its OEM agreements.

BTW, I bet that this utility would have lived for much longer had it been called YBar instead of Y'z Dock. This is like Windows and Lindows, except that the Lindows guys didn't give up at the first C&D.

**Asher** · July 12, 2003, 01:22

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You didn't have a winking smilie on the post before that, genius.

Why don't you prove me wrong?

Seriously, no Mac user, ever, has given a coherent argument relevant to the discussion on Apolyton.

I'm still waiting for it, but all you're doing is proving my point.

**Asher** · July 12, 2003, 01:25

Originally posted by St Leo
However:
- Microsoft is a monopoly and it does leverage its market share to kill off superior competition. For example, it recently undercut a done deal in Thailand by selling its software for pennies to the Thai government. Obviously, their price will be higher once the Thais are locked in while the competition will have been hobbled.

Perhaps you do not understand this, but B does not follow from A here. An example of MS using a monopoly to kill off "superior" competition would be MS using IE to "kill off" Netscape 4.x. But, the problem with this of course, is Netscape 4.x sucks royal ass, Netscape didn't have a new product out for ages, and Netscape is still around.

-Mac OS X is architecturally superior to WinXP.

I strongly disagree, but hey? That's not what this thread is about? You think a kernel design from 1970 is "architecturally superior", and I think differently.

BTW, I bet that this utility would have lived for much longer had it been called YBar instead of Y'z Dock. This is like Windows and Lindows, except that the Lindows guys didn't give up at the first C&D.

Lindows is a commercial product, Y'z Dock is some guy's freeware program for a market Apple doesn't even compete in.

**Drake Tungsten** · July 12, 2003, 01:31

Seriously, no Mac user, ever, has given a coherent argument relevant to the discussion on Apolyton.

I've given you plenty in the past, but you've always been so arrogant as to consider any opinion that differs from your own to be "illogical" and "incoherent." I got tired of trying. I don't like people like you in real life, so I don't see why I should talk to them online either.

**Asher** · July 12, 2003, 01:33

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I've given you plenty in the past, but you've always been so arrogant as to consider any opinion that differs from your own to be "illogical" and "incoherent." I got tired of trying.

You've never posted an argument, you've always been the homosexual cheerleader slapping Agathon's ass in debates.

And Agathon goes on and on about things he doesn't understand, like Fitts' Law. He even claims my complaints about OS X' GUI were "invalid", but the second Apple addresses them in OS 10.3 they're suddenly very welcome changes!

All the same, all the same...

Apple users like Macs because:

**Asher** · July 12, 2003, 01:37

And frankly, anyone who uses "tool" as an insult insults themselves.

**Drake Tungsten** · July 12, 2003, 01:40

You've never posted an argument

You've got a pretty short memory.

And frankly, anyone who uses "tool" as an insult insults themselves.

So do gays who use "homosexual" as an insult. You're hurting the agenda.

**Asher** · July 12, 2003, 01:42

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You've got a pretty short memory.

And you obviously underestimate the intelligence of anyone reading this, because it's clear that you never contribute to these threads save for flames. And responding "You have a short memory!" is nothing more than a laughable deflection.

So do gays who use "homosexual" as an insult. You're hurting the agenda.

Eh? "Homosexual cheerleader" wasn't the insult, it merely set up the mental image. "Slapping Agathon's ass", now there's an insult. Have you seen his picture? *shudder*

**Q Classic** · July 12, 2003, 01:42

i like tools.

especially those battery-powered screwdrivers, or those ratchet sets...
especially when they have torx, phillips, and slot heads that are tiny enough to take apart hard disks.

**Drake Tungsten** · July 12, 2003, 01:47

And responding "You have a short memory!" is nothing more than a laughable deflection.

No, it's merely pointing out that you don't remember some of the knock-down, drag-out "debates" we had when I first got to Poly. Eventually I learned that you're just a waste of time, but I did argue with you before then.

**Asher** · July 12, 2003, 01:51

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
No, it's merely pointing out that you don't remember some of the knock-down, drag-out "debates" we had when I first got to Poly. Eventually I learned that you're just a waste of time, but I did argue with you before then.

I'm confuzzled -- what exactly are you doing right now?

You and I still argue, it's just that you always avoid factual arguments. And for good reason.

**DRoseDARs** · July 12, 2003, 01:54

Yep, nothing quite like a thread about Apple computers to bring harmonious unite to the Apolyton Off-Topic community...

**St Leo** · July 12, 2003, 01:58

Lindows is a commercial product, Y'z Dock is some guy's freeware program for a market Apple doesn't even compete in.

What's your point? I am saying that naming a toolbar utility "*Dock" is like naming a consumer-grade operating system "*indows".

Perhaps you do not understand this, but B does not follow from A here.

Actually, it does. The government had already cut a deal to use a distribution of equivalent open source products. Microsoft price-fixed their way into overturning that deal. Price-fixing is immoral.

You think a kernel design from 1970 is "architecturally superior", and I think differently.

At least it has a design.:P

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