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An Israeli was probably kidnapped and killed in Tul Karem.
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"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal. -
Couldn't these prisoners accidently "disappear"? Then you can say you did release them and they were clearly not your problem anymore
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Why not demand a crackdown on militants by the PLO before you release the prisoners? Introduce some element of reciprocity into the matter.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Do not release the prisoners that are directly linked to acts of terror. As you pointed out yourself, they will just go back to planning and carrying out acts of terror. Imagine releasing a terrorists, and then having a suicide attack that kills 10 or 20 people, and learning that the guy who was released was responsible.
For the safety of Israelis, you can't release such dangerous people.'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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Siro:And the pals are the only murderers there?
Hmm...
Terrorist comes up to a bus station and opens fire on innocent by-standers. Terrorist attack equal to mass murder or murder one.
Soldier accidentally hurts/kills civilians during a fire-fight with militants who hide themselves among civilian population. The geneva convention says the responsability is on the terrorist side, and the soldiers are allowed to perform city combat.
The worse you could argue is causing death by recklessness.
How about you israelis, how many israelis are in prison for warcrimes
How many Israelis have performed war crimes?
0-5 ?
terror against civilians
if you mean harrassment against civilians, then there are quite alot. I don't know exact numbers but they are probably in the dozens.
A trial is going on for several months now for several members of a border guard brigade, that was recently dismantled because it was found to be promoting violence and abuse.
A trial recently began to another group of soldiers from a border guard and a Nahal brigade, against whom evidence amounted about abuse.
or as administrative prisoners?
How many Israelis have been violently rioting, throwing stones or shooting randomly at people? None.
My guess is hardly any. Can't you smell your own bigotry?
You compare soldiers who fight in difficult trapping conditions, to terrorists who create conditions with the intent to slaughter innocents on either side.
Your bigotry smells worse, and it's brown too
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Why not demand a crackdown on militants by the PLO before you release the prisoners? Introduce some element of reciprocity into the matter.
They promise us a 3 month ceasefire instead, and say that they can't crackdown without poular support.
Funny thing is, they could do it several times in 2002 when Hamas was getting too much of an upper hand in the streets, and Fatah soldiers and Palestinian police shot Palestinian rioters protesting against Arafat, and killed a man or two, and wounded a good dozen.
Funny thing, most international networks only played 5 sec clips of this...Comment
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those international networks also falsely show Palestinians dancing in the streets after terracts.Comment
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
those international networks also falsely show Palestinians dancing in the streets after terracts.
Claim: CNN used old footage to fake images of 'Palestinians dancing in the street' after the terrorist attack on the USA.
Status: False.
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Origins: No,
CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 — a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles. The person who made the claim quoted above has since recanted.
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the point never was in the age of the recordings but rather how representative they are. they're used to claim that a majority of Palestinians support terror. those dancers were, however, an exception.Comment
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release a handful as goodwill gesture and to strengthen Abbas. then watch what Pals do. If they do nothing at all to fight terror, then return no more prisoners. If they do the minimum - attempting with limited success to stop ticking bombs from the areas they control, and arresting members of rogue AAMB cells - release some more. If they actually disarm Hamas, release the prisoners in large numbers.
And you probably have to release Bargouti, hes a player now, and you may even be setting him up as such."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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well yeah since the PA sent out word not to dance, cause it would hurt their image. You might as well claim that Israelis dont support the overthrow of Saddam, since they didnt go out and dance in the streets over it.Originally posted by Ecthelion
the point never was in the age of the recordings but rather how representative they are. they're used to claim that a majority of Palestinians support terror. those dancers were, however, an exception.
Polling data seems to show that something like 25 -35% of the Pal population consistently support terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians, while close to 50% do when the peace process is not going well. Im not sure the support for Bin Laden, but given that polls show a significant minority in support of him in many parts of the muslim world, it wouldnt be surprising if that were true among palestinians as well."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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it's just wrong to bring the dancing guys up as an argument for palestinian gloating about terracts
even if some support them, that support might be reluctant. it certainly is inconsistent, as you have just shown. dancing people however are fond of terrorism (yes, all dancing people on earth
), and that just cannot be true for those 20-30%. they're human, too. the street dancers aren't. they're evil satan scum.
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Don't release any of the terrorists. That's just STUPID.
Release all of the political prisoners.
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hey, that's the flag of the US!
in any case, I don't mind releasing the old prisoners, those who served more than 20 years in prison.Comment
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Yes, but I can't put it in my sig
smilies don't work in the sig
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