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    The Palestinians demand that as a gesture Israeli releases large groups of prisoners it has accumulated during the Intifada and before it.

    The total number of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel is quoted to be between 5 and 8 thousands. A large part of them are prisoners serving sentances for terrorist attacks, another part is awaiting trial and yet another part are the administrative prisoners, whom are not charged but are held on intelligence grounds.

    Most of the administrative prisoners have been released so far naturally, and thus the discrepancy between the numbers of prisoners, since some bodies have larger numbers, and the military says those numbers are old, and most have been released.


    Now, as for the palestinians, they demand that Israel releases key Hamas, Jihad and Fatah activists who became symbols of the "struggle". Ironically they are those who have most blood on their hands whether by direct actions (making the bombs, sending terrorists off, using firearms) or indirect actions (funding, organizing and administering terrorist activities).

    This is causing major debate in Israel, as so far only light wieght prisoners have been released, and only 1 convicted terrorist murderor has been released - who has served 27 years (out of 3 life sentances + 70 years).


    What do you think?

    Is it moral or even legal, to release known arch-murderors to 'appease the palestinian street' (as the Palestinains claim)?

    Is it moral to do so, when the Roadmap itself, demands that the Palestinians arrest terrorists and dismantles the terrorist organizations?

    Is it moral to do so, in light of the fact, that most of the terrorists released in Israel in previous deals (1993-2000) have returned to terrorist bussiness and infact many of them killed much more people than before, and only made their way back to Israeli prisons?

  • #2
    I think it's a great idea, cuts down on overpopulation problems. I believe that within 50 years the world will be low on oil and at maximum sustainable population. Unless Bush finds an excuse to use nukes, in which case none of this matters.
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    • #3
      The problem is if you don't release them, the Palestinians scream you're not following the ****ing map, pull over and we'll drive. Then Hamas et al claim they have an excuse to blow off their "cease fire" etc. etc.

      The solution is simple - next time around, don't take prisoners.
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      • #4
        What ceasefire?

        urgh.NSFW

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        • #5
          Back to business as usual already?
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          • #6
            Yep. If they keep killing Palestinians faster than they breed they'll eventually run out. Obviously this is not a renewable resource. Therefore they should stop killing Palestinians in order to let the resource replenish itself.
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            • #7


              It seems that most of the PA is following the agreement, and their leaders have vowed to fight anyone who'll resist them ( It's about time! ). Hamas is rather large, but has no chance against the PA, if they'll fight "for real". Ironically, the ones that are doing most of the "fighting" now, are elements of the Fatah.

              I hope, I REALLY hope that the PA will start to crack down on them. Because if they won't, Israel will.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                Siro:And the pals are the only murderers there? Howabout you israelis, how many israelis are in prison for warcrimes, terror against civilians or as administrative prisoners? My guess is hardly any. Can't you smell your own bigotry?
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                • #9
                  Siro: in answer to your original question, I would guess it depends on level of conviction.

                  Holding suspects for intelligence reasons is a dead end. Let them go - holding onto them gains little.

                  A political leader without violent convictions - put them out on probation. Freedom... but with restrictions to report in every so often.

                  An activist convicted of attacking military targets... see if/how it helps to release them. These are the sticky areas... How do you know they won't do it again? You don't... but sometimes keeping them inside is an excuse for more violence on the outside.

                  A convicted activist with innocent blood on their hands - let them serve their sentence.

                  Every case - judge it on merit. Every case is different. Labelling them ALL as activists and throwing away the key isn't a smart move.

                  Lauentius - crap attempt at a threadjack. You want to start a new thread, go ahead.
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                  • #10
                    Why would I want to start a new thread? There are already too many ME-threads. What I'm asking is why are there only palestinians in jails? If you want justice, be fair and punish israelies also. There are two sides in this, not just the terrorists and the good guys as far as I see it. It's really you whos threadjacking here.
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                    • #11
                      There aren't only palestinians in Israeli jail. Israeli soldiers that are convicted of unlegal acts, are sitting in jail. There are no Israeli soldiers in palestian jails because the palestinians don't take prisoners.

                      keep on rolling, baby.
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Azazel
                        There aren't only palestinians in Israeli jail. Israeli soldiers that are convicted of unlegal acts, are sitting in jail. There are no Israeli soldiers in palestian jails because the palestinians don't take prisoners.

                        keep on rolling, baby.
                        smack the eurocom!

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                        • #13
                          don't release the guys that had key positions. no other country would do that anyway

                          release the guantanamo style prisoners, that are arrested when wrong time wrong place, if there actually are any left, which I doubt given your introduction. can't imagine all 8,000 are really terrorists, though.

                          and even if they were in planning, though without any executive or command position: those guys awere easily influenced and talekd int osome trash. not all of them, but some might deserve a chance.

                          can't imagine you haven't been through these points anyway, though. so it really seems to be the question as to whether or not release key persons. that depends if there are political prisoners among them. those that are accused of being leaders when in reality they're just aligned in some way to those groups, which usually have more functions than terrorist attacks.

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                          • #14
                            eurocom, hehe
                            I see already that trying to discuss this with you wouldnt lead anywhere. Well, have it your way. It's really your problem after all, so why would I care anyway.
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                            • #15
                              If you want peace, you have to release them, unfortunately.

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