U.S. Bans Military Aid to Almost 50 Countries

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sikander


Worse than in 1945? You must really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, hate us now.

hi ,

they have forgotten to say " thank you ", ......

have a nice day

[dannubis]

thank you for what ?

something good they did 50 years ago ?
or all the bad sh*t they pulled on the world since the late fifties ?

[Saras]

Originally posted by dannubis
thank you for what ?

something good they did 50 years ago ?
or all the bad sh*t they pulled on the world since the late fifties ?

Compared with your record in Congo, for example?

[Panag]

Originally posted by dannubis
thank you for what ?

something good they did 50 years ago ?
or all the bad sh*t they pulled on the world since the late fifties ?

hi ,

you would be speaking german now , that is if you where found good enough to be born , ..... otherwise , ...

your second language in schools would be japanese , ....

need any more reasons , ......

yesterday was the 75th birthday of your gate in ieper for crying out loud , ......

or dont you know maybe why the fire dept plays the last post each day since 75 years in ieper , belgian flanders , ....... in honor to the men and woman who have no grave , who are missing in action , ......

have a nice day

[Cruddy]

Whoppee!

All the more arms sales outside the US!

Go George, go! Support your local economy... NOT!

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by yavoon
oh its always been bad. Trust me from the receiving end. u think the french liked us in vietnam? or neone? so now we goto iraq and no1 likes us there. u think neone liked reagan? I can't believe u liked clinton. he sent missiles into countries cuz he didn't want ppl knowing about who was blowing him. amazing what your capable of overlooking.

Yes, after all Clinton was liked.
He did shoot Misiles into other Countries, but that was only one Incident, which was quickly forgotten.
On the positive side he was perceived as someone who showed great respect for the relations between America and other counteries and someone who would readily enter international agreements (which where seen by most people to be good ones), such as the Kyoto Protocol.

As for Kenneth Starr and Monica Lewinsky, most people here found it quite laughable, how much attention this incident got in America. If any Chancellor in Germany would get a voluntary Blowjob by a female assistant it would be in the headlines for maybe 2 weeks but afterwards things would calm down.

As for the Invasion of Iraq:
The reason (at least for countries outside of the islamic world) noone liked that you invaded Iraq wasn´t alone that you did it, but that you did it against the will of the Security council. O.K. you will argue, that it is covered by Resolution 1441, but most people outside of America don´t think it is covered by this resolution and that there should have been another voting by the Security Council (of course your administration knew they would loose it and so they avoided it).
The other thing is, that outside of America many people were very sceptical about the claims of your govrnment that there are for sure huge stockpiles of WMDs which hadn´t been found by the Wepon Inspectors of the UN. As we now see this Scepticism seemed to be justified

Originally posted by Q Cubed
remember, not everyone has the benefit of viewing 9/11 and bush's actions through the viewpoint of an american. proteus is german. thus, he'll see bush's actions quite differently than you, yavoon.
while for us, the rationale that it's in our best interests is easier to swallow, it's not as easy to believe when you're a minor power. germany, france, korea, russia, and china are all countries that feel threatened by bush's path of apparent unilateralism. thus, whatever "support" that may have been forthcoming was quickly killed because they began to feel as if the us didn't need their support--or want it.

Jep, that´s the point.
Many Americans seem to believe that everything that´s good for america is also good for the world and are astonished when they find out that the world sees things quite different
Bushs Unilateralism can be seen as the main reason why there are currently so much tensions between America and other nations (such as the Coutnries of Old Europe )
After all Bush AFAIK acts according to the Wolfowitz Doctrine, which not even Bush senior dared to implement in his time as president of the United States.

Originally posted by Sikander


Worse than in 1945? You must really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, hate us now.

O.K. maybe not this worse,
just the worst since the last 30 years
(I cannot say anything about the times before that, as in those times I´ve been just a bunch of DNA-Strands within the reproductive Organs of my parents )

[BeBMan]

So countries get in trouble with the US now when they are committed to UN ideas, and following international law?

[Saras]

Originally posted by BeBro
So countries get in trouble with the US now when they are committed to UN ideas, and following international law?

Wrong question.

[BeBMan]

What´s the right one?

[Q Classic]

whether they are with us or not.

[dannubis]

i am thankful of what they did 50 years ago
and i do feel a deep respect for all the man, women and children that died to ensure our freedom

but i am not blind for what they are doing now ...
taking away the same freedom they bled 50 years ago for ...

and in my humble oppinion, the local population of congo was in a much better shape 50 years ago than they are right now ...

[Q Classic]

but we need to act asin our interests.

asin? what do arcsines have to do with anything?

we'd like to bring ppl along cuz I personally feel that our interests are shared with lotsa other ppl.

while that may be the case, you don't generally bring other people along by tactlessly telling them they're wrong, ignoring any warnings they may have, treating them like stupid little children and acting like one ourselves. that dig about "old europe", while probably quite true, didn't need to be said.
it also helps when you at least act like you're following forms and norms that you helped set up, even if you blatantly disregard them privately, which is what we did before bush came along--and anti-americanism, while still around, was never as vitriolic. this current anti-americanism is less a function of latent anti-americanism, and more a function of anti-bushism.
when you get down to it, people like america, at least what they get out of it. they just don't like it being rammed down their throats with condescension.

but I dare say the more ppl u bring on and give ear to the slower everything goes. especially if france was in. I think it might be presumptiuous to assume someone of amazing tact or asskissing would have won over the UNSC.

i didn't say we should have made them actually participate. political support is different from military assistance.
amazing tact probably would have won us over the un. france, germany, and russia all apparently didn't like iraq, and wanted it to disarm--they merely thought that giving iraq a little more time to come clean would help.
bush here didn't give a damn, since he wanted to go into iraq come hell or highwater, and was itching to go.
as for the asskissing bit... what do you think most of those "countries of the willing" were doing to the states? many of them were told to either support it or lose aid...

europe has been very apprehensive about doing things. its often the americans that go in unilaterally.

an understandable consequence of having america pay for its defence for forty-five years.

[HershOstropoler]

I strongly agree with this move by the Bush administration. It's a brilliant policy to undermine US diplomatic standing and influence, and further demonstrates to the occasional doubter the ideological hysteria rampaging through Washington.

I like it.

[Saras]

I guess we'll have to cross train with Austrian Mountain Navy Seals now.

[HershOstropoler]

So you're finally ready for a challange?