Israelis withdraw from Gaza

[lord of the mark]

its a temporary truce, and doesnt call for dismarming Hamas. OTOH, it may give time for Israeli diplomacy with Abbas to move forward, and to strengthen Abbas. Then when Hamas comes out fighting Abbas can fight them - if he doesnt, the road map has real problems.

Haaretz quotes Israeli officials saying Abbas told the Americans he would press Hamas to disarm, but cant say so in public.

Also - the shooting the other day was by Al aqsa Martyrs Brigade - there seems to be a strugle for power within AAMB, Marwan Bargouti (who supported the ceasefire) against local elements. Note also the shooting did not come from areas slated for Israeli withdrawl.

[lord of the mark]

from the BBC


"Militants shot at a lorry in the West Bank on Monday, killing one man
The militants who shot dead a Bulgarian worker in the West Bank yesterday have been arrested, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has said. "

[muxec]

LOTMark, read Haaretz less! It's very optimistical. You would better read MigNews.

[Panag]

1. Cease-fire in full force (except in Hebron)
At 9:45 tonight Arab terrorists opened fire on the Givat Avot neighborhood of Kiryat Arba. Shots were fired at a soldier guarding at the entrance to the neighborhood, which is to the west of Kiryat Arba, and overlooks the Hebron Jewish Community from the north-east. The soldier's helmet was scratched but no other injuries were reported. IDF troops are searching the vicinity for the terrorist or terrorists.

A Hebron spokesman issued the following statement:
Israel is again experiencing euphoria - peace is at hand! What nonsense!!! Unfortunately nothing could be further from the truth. Tonight's attack on a Kiryat Arba neighborhood proves the point. The Arab have no intentions of ceasing warfare. They have one goal and one goal alone - the removal of all Jews from Israel and the establishment of a unified 'palestine' from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. Unfortunately Israel is playing into their hands by tonight removing forces from Gaza, thereby endangering the lives of hundreds and thousands of Jews, who have been the targets of countless mortar, missile and shooting attacks over the past two and a half years. According to Israel radio, tomorrow negotiations to again abandon Bethlehem will commence and following that, Israel is considering handing Hebron back to the terrorists. The absurdity is so colossal that it is difficult to believe that any sane national leadership could actually cooperate. However, that is exactly what Arik Sharon and Co. are doing. There are no words.....


hi ,

the above is from the 29th , ......

have a nice day

[JCG]

Will the truce (and the whole peace plan) be abandoned by Israel just because a few of the Arab terrorist groups that didn't sign/agree to it decide to continue terror?

Provided that the PA cooperates as much as it can while all this is happening, of course....

[Panag]

Originally posted by JCG
Will the truce (and the whole peace plan) be abandoned by Israel just because a few of the Arab terrorist groups that didn't sign/agree to it decide to continue terror?

Provided that the PA cooperates as much as it can while all this is happening, of course....

hi ,

have we ever " abondoned " any peace plan , .....

it aint us who are shooting just hours after we sign a deal , ......

have a nice day

[Az]

Originally posted by JCG
Will the truce (and the whole peace plan) be abandoned by Israel just because a few of the Arab terrorist groups that didn't sign/agree to it decide to continue terror?

Ok, so let me get this straight. We don't even have the right to act against the elements that openly fight us, while a truce could be in place? please.

[JCG]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

have we ever " abondoned " any peace plan , .....

it aint us who are shooting just hours after we sign a deal , ......

have a nice day

My point is: the people who are shooting aren't necessarily the same ones who signed the deal (at least in this case).

[JCG]

Originally posted by Azazel

Ok, so let me get this straight. We don't even have the right to act against the elements that openly fight us, while a truce could be in place? please.

Perhaps you may have the right, but if those actions are executed in such a way that they create conflict with the PA and the other groups that signed the truce and are keeping to it (not to mention the civilian population)...then it could all go to hell pretty quickly.

[Panag]

Originally posted by JCG


My point is: the people who are shooting aren't necessarily the same ones who signed the deal (at least in this case).

hi ,

huh , in this case they had signed the deal , .......

have a nice day

[Az]

Originally posted by JCG


Perhaps you may have the right, but if those actions are executed in such a way that they create conflict with the PA and the other groups that signed the truce and are keeping to it (not to mention the civilian population)...then it could all go to hell pretty quickly.

So then we should sit and take it like men?

[JCG]

Originally posted by panag

hi ,

huh , in this case they had signed the deal , .......

have a nice day

Then...in that case, things will indeed go to hell much quicker, due to the internal struggles within those groups, if action is taken without discussing with the elements that *did* keep to the deal.

[JCG]

Originally posted by Azazel


So then we should sit and take it like men?

No, you should take action alright, BUT trying to do so only in cooperation and agreement with those Arabs that *do* respect the truce.

That may be the hard part, I'm afraid.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Azazel

Ok, so let me get this straight. We don't even have the right to act against the elements that openly fight us, while a truce could be in place? please.

i think the understanding is you will give the PA the first shot at the elements, and if they cant or wont take it, you will check with Washington before executing.

[Az]

Originally posted by JCG


No, you should take action alright, BUT trying to do so only in cooperation and agreement with those Arabs that *do* respect the truce.

That may be the hard part, I'm afraid.

They don't want to. we wouldn't act against the palestinians at all if they got their **** together, and stopped the attacks against us.

lotm: Abu Mazen has specifically said that he won't fight Hamas. instead, there is some half-assed truce with terrorist organizations that maybe would, and maybe wouldn't be honoured.