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**raghar** · July 1, 2003, 17:54

Originally posted by muxec

To raghar: You said about poor and rich people and good and bad computers. But i should reply, that i can buy a supercomputer for a price of 3D Studio Max. And i must say that the developer would better sell million copies for few dollars, than few copies for 5000$

People that have need for 3D Max have often enough money to pay such price. They must pay for fast computer as well. I expect that some of this price is caused by CDzila.dll You know people who likes copy protection need to pay for it.
Another problem is users that are somewhat happy with current version of software and are unviling to pay for workable version when is finally avilable

**St Leo** · July 1, 2003, 22:32

I pay for software. I don't pay for music, tv, or movies.

I believe I am in the right ethically, but you are free to disagree.

**Ted Striker** · July 1, 2003, 22:38

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Really? What about bind and sendmail? Apache? Samba? OpenBSD? A bunch of GNU stuff?

These are free but they are also commodities.

Examples are the 134 different variations of "free" GNU FTP servers.

To get something both good and specialized you'll usually want to pay for it.

**Urban Ranger** · July 2, 2003, 01:32

Originally posted by Ted Striker
To get something both good and specialized you'll usually want to pay for it.

That's actually not in conflict of OSS philosophy.

For programs with very large user bases (OS, Internet infrastructure software, games, etc.) OSS produces excellent stuff.

For programs with limited audience, commercial stuff is probably the only way to go.

**Urban Ranger** · July 2, 2003, 01:34

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I think that no software can stand 19 year olds with motivation and enough ASM knowledge.

19 year olds with sufficient knowledge to crack a program are far and few between.

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
But I think that if program developers lower their prices a bit (It's really not comparable to the music bussiness) they will find that many more people will be able to buy their products, and will want to.

True

**MichaeltheGreat** · July 2, 2003, 02:14

Originally posted by Mercator
I know, but this thread isn't about software theft, it's about the future of software.

There are also plenty of them who also program for free (Perl, for instance). And you can argue about the quality of things like GNU/Linux, the GIMP, open-office (as Azazel mentioned) etc. but you can't say they aren't made by experienced programmers.

All of whom have some way of making a living.

Another aspect not listed is in distributed software. I'm developing an n-tier product/services bundle where one tier is on my servers. Consumer software is in an entirely different category from enterprise software, but it's not at all impossible that the proliferation of bandwidth and high speed connections will allow for some components to be accessed only remotely, and for validation of the locally installed portion of the software to occur each time it loads.

**Ted Striker** · July 2, 2003, 02:24

Why you going n-tier MTG?

Why not go with a browser based portal and put everything on the server?

**MichaeltheGreat** · July 2, 2003, 03:06

I have real high local processing loads, dynamic localization, and UI issues on the client side, plus e-document processing and creation, where all the server cares about is summary data, but the client wants to print lots of pretty paper.

On the other side, I need multiple server tiers anyway - on-site data acquisition servers, (each licensed by different customers), but some clustering of data that originally is "owned" by different enterprises using those different servers.

About 70% of my stuff is server-side with an ASP.NET portal, but about 30% is client side - all the calculation and query intensive near real time crap.

**Panag** · July 2, 2003, 03:27

hi ,

" 1. Computers taxes. All PC/Mac owbers would be taxed by the goverment and would get all software for a free. Those who don't pay lose their computer. The goverment pays to the software developers according to the usage rate of the software. "

that sounds like a serious breach of rights , ..... and freedom

nah , its never going to work , it draws in against the values of a serious economy , ......

have a nice day

**muxec** · July 2, 2003, 06:32

[qoute]that sounds like a serious breach of rights , ..... and freedom [/quote] There is a TV tax here (in Israel). And it realatively works.

**Panag** · July 2, 2003, 15:47

Originally posted by muxec
[qoute]that sounds like a serious breach of rights , ..... and freedom

There is a TV tax here (in Israel). And it realatively works. [/QUOTE]

hi ,

you cant compare that , ......

have a nice day

**muxec** · July 2, 2003, 15:53

panag,
hi,

I can compare it just because it's the same thing

have a nice day

**Panag** · July 2, 2003, 16:01

Originally posted by muxec
panag,
hi,

I can compare it just because it's the same thing

have a nice day

hi ,

nah it aint , .......

for one it draws in against the laws of freedom , the laws of making money , R&D , .......

and there is the fact that a tv aint a comp , ......

but you could get around that , .....

have a nice day

**muxec** · July 2, 2003, 16:25

hi,

Can you please explain what did you mean? Did you mean that TV-companies are controled by the government?

have a nice day

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