The End of the Russian Arms industry

[Kramerman]

oh yeah, you are against cultural relativism... i was gonna say maybe that is culturally correct for panag to do ""

[Az]

I am about to make a very strong statement about it in my Location field and avatar in the upcoming days.

[Az]

panag, clear your message box.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Azazel
panag, clear your message box.

hi ,

done

have a nice day

[Az]

Anyway, what I wanted to say is that it's all cool.

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

crap , ....

no , facts , .......

have a nice day

Read the first article of this thread.

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

they have lost more troops in the four months after the firts two , .....

" full control " , is that why there is till this day still a travel warning , ..... updated every day , .....

this aint the correct data neither , ..... MIA aint counted in it , .... read again , .....

bye

Like there are no such signs in Israel. Like your settlers and even priests don't have submachineguns.

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

sure , 192 days in all since it was build , ......

thats loads of active duty aint it , ......

You think that for example American or Brtish warships spend 365 day a year in open sea?
What an .

you where wrong to say it was there , it was transfered eve, to the pacific fleet in 96 , they did not want it , they returned it to the north fleet , and there it still is since 99 , not a single active day since then , ...... not a single , .......

Lonestar, as US Navy intellegence guy, could you please say to mr. Panag that during 1999-2003 period, Petr Veliky was on active duty. I guess it's not a secret information, considering that it was shown many times on TV (during maneuvres and during Kursk's resque operation)

lets face it , you know absolutely nothing about this ship , its whereabouts , its accidents , so why on earth do you post what you have posted , .....

And who said this? A moron who belives that Kirov is air carrier?

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

see the post on it , flying today , funding today ; ZERO in both cases , ......

it does not mean you have a pic of an experimental prototype , that was scrapped btw that you have it now , ........

bye

SU-47 is scrapped?
Also in our news- Martians attacking Haifa. Stay tunned folks.

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

today , in todays active status , it aint my article neither , ...... read again and you see dates , ......

tu-95 is a different story

there are only eight and any country that has signed the open skies agreement can tell you that , ......

they cant afford any more neither , there are no more nuclear missiles for it neither , scrapped with us taxpayers money btw , .....

bye

And what the hell could you know about Russian nuclear missiles? You, a moron who said that Russians steal rocket fuel from their ICBMs and then sell it on markets.

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

they aint the largest , ......

Listen mister 'fancy pants', go to any respectable source of information, like Janes for example and made a basic research about this. All experts says that ships of Kirov class currently are the largest surface warships in service on this planet. Only such as you still whinning- "no, no, no, they are not."

missiles removed , ......

Petr Veliky have more missiles and more firepower than any other ship on this planet.

one harpoon or two and its gone , simple as that , ......

You are an , simple as that. Harpoons will be destroyed by Kirov's S-300 complexes when they will be 150 km away from ship.

[Serb]

Originally posted by GP


The Kirov is a heavy cruiser. I wouldn't be a bit worried about it. A US CVBG would take it out no problem. The Ruskis might have a chance against a CVBG with a submarine if they got lucky.

And who said that Kirov would attack American battle group alone?

But overall we would wax their azzes. WE have the blue ocean Navy. They have a coastal defense fleet. They're nobody.

Thanks for the lecture. Try something in our waters. We are more then able to defend our coast. Currently we don't need anything else.

[Propaganda]

Damn ****ing right, Serb! Beat that Israeli's balls off!

[David Floyd]

Kirov class warship:

25,860-26,396 tons (fully loaded)

As opposed to this, the Kuznetsov class carrier, of which Russia has one in service, displaces 67,000 tons fully loaded.

However, both of these are dwarfed by the US Nimitz class carrier, which displaces 101,000-104,000 tons fully loaded.

Sorry, serb, you're wrong.

Petr Veliky have more missiles and more firepower than any other ship on this planet.

Actually a SSBN has far more firepower than any Kirov

But in any case, a Nimitz class carrier also carries more firepower, even excluding nuclear weapons. But if it comes down to it, the US can just load up aircraft with nuclear tipped cruise missiles - one hit would be enough, and the S-300 is good, but not THAT good.

Harpoons will be destroyed by Kirov's S-300 complexes when they will be 150 km away from ship.

Why would a sub launch from 150 km away? I'd rather suspect that the sub would launch Harpoons from a few km away, inside the Kirov's protective screen. But in any case, why not just use torpedos?

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

feb 2003 , and you , .....

I live here, in Russia. And I spend 5 years in university studying Russian railroads and later worked for railroad department. Who the hell are you to lectuering me about Russian railroads?

and stop to insult people , it aint allowed on apolyton

FY, go ahead, call for mammy.
In case if you don't know, this smile " " stands for idiot.
Have a nice day.