The End of the Russian Arms industry

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

well a boy with your background would know that mod stands for misery of defense , boy , .....

Why should I know all English abbreviations? Russian is my native language after all.
I always assosiated mod with design or with moderators. Anyhow I was not in aware that 'mod" stands for misery of defense, boy

you dont have to post back , you claim the second war in chechnya was over in two months , .......

so what number are we on today then , ..... number 1045 or so , ....

and you guys still loose in one week what gets lost in the entire ME in two months , .....

and if war is over , then what the heck are them bombings and coffins then from this week , last week , the week before , ......

pay a visit to cnn.com , .....

oh , and its Israel , not isreal , ....

bye

CNN.com
Yeah, right. It's very valuable source of information. Why not Fox?
Isn't it the same source which claimed that Bahsra was captured five times and the same bs?
No, thank you.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Eli
Merkavas are not exported. Panag is talking about something else.

Yep, his talking about bullsh!t pulled out of his ass actually.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kramerman


uh huh...

do you actually believe these things you say? or are you just flag waving under false pretense to sustain your ego?

I do. You simply don't know what kind of prototypes Soviets had just before the fall of SU.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Serb
It's not true. A lot of Jews returned to Russia already and they still returning. Russian Germans returning also, but I guess in this case the reason is different.

Good news

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag
hi ,

serb , here , some info on a two month war thats over , ....

2 èþëÿ 2003 ãîäà, 20:25
Over 2,200 servicemen died in second Chechen campaign
ROSTOV-ON-DON. July 2 (Interfax) - Over 2,240 servicemen were killed in the anti-terrorist operation in Chechnya in 1999-2003, Major- General Sergei Tochilin, deputy commander-in-chief of Russia's Interior Troops, said at a meeting of the Federation Council's coordination council in Rostov-on-Don on Wednesday for the protection of servicemen who took part in the anti-terrorist operation in the Northern Caucasus.

Viktor Ozerov, chairman of the Federation Council's defense and security committee, said that over 13,000 servicemen who took part in the second Chechen campaign are now disabled and one out of four servicemen who returned form Chechnya needs serious psychological counseling.

In total, some 300,000 servicemen fought in the two Chechen campaigns, Ozerov said.

hope the translation is okay , .....

aldo the number of deaths and MIA is higher then the number given above , .....

have a nice day

And?
Do you realize difference between active fighting and garnison duty? Major forces of terrorists were defeated within two months. After two months Russian army gain full control over entire territory of Chechnya. But garnison duty can't be without losses anyway. This data include KIA numbers for soldiers lost during active fighting (major part) and for soldiers lost during garnison duties.

[Serb]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


Good news

In case of "Russian Germans" the reason is adoptation problems and lack of workplaces. In case of re-emigrants from Israel...I guess it's obvious.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by panag
and now you want a sat pic to prove its still in the dry dock , ......

are you sure its the same ship , ......

Oops, sorry. Apparently, Pyotr Velikiy was not in the Baltic Sea during the recent maneuvers. However it's not true that it is still in the dry dock. This ship has been on active duty many times.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Serb


I do. You simply don't know what kind of prototypes Soviets had just before the fall of SU.

and you do? im glad to know our resident russian knows all of teh Russian state secrets. another testimonial to russian security...

[Serb]

Of course I don't. I just read a book recently about those things. The author claims that just before the fall of SU, Soviets had prototypes of absolutely new kinds of weapons. A weapons that use new physical principles.

[Serb]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


Oops, sorry. Apparently, Pyotr Velikiy was not in the Baltic Sea during the recent maneuvers. However it's not true that it is still in the dry dock. This ship has been on active duty many times.

It wasn't? Who told you that? Panag? And you trust him?
Earlier, he said that Peyotr Velikiy is aircraft carrier. After such crap I wouldn't trust to a single word he says.

I don't know why you and me should proove that Peyotr is fully operational to such guy as he is. It's waste of time.

[Az]

Originally posted by Serb

It's not true. A lot of Jews returned to Russia already and they still returning. Russian Germans returning also, but I guess in this case the reason is different.

[Serb]

Originally posted by panag
Over 75 rebel groups active in Chechnya - Russian general
ROSTOV-ON-DON. July 2 (Interfax-South) - More than 75 rebel groups are active in Chechnya today, troop commander at the North Caucasus Military District Col. Gen. Vladimir Boldyrev said on Wednesday.

"The groups include roughly 1,200 people with about 300 foreign mercenaries," Boldyrev said.

I'm absoltely sure that more than 75 groups and more then 1200 fighters of Taliban still active in Afghanistan.
I'm absolutely sure then more then 75 groups and more then 1200 Saddam followers still active in Iraq.
So?
In both cases Yanks declared that war is over despite their forces still takes losses every day.
They changed regimes in both places and more or less control territory. The active resistance is over, but it doesn't mean that they don't lose soldiers everyday, because partisans are still active. The same in Chechnya, but aside Americans who don't control in Afghanistan anything except Kabul, we control entire territory of Chechnya and already:
1) restored law there.
2) restored power institutions.
3) formed local police and security forces from LOCAL, Chechen people, equiped and armed them.
4) organized a referendum there and Chechens confirmed new constitution and the law about elections of president of Chechen Republic (and such elections will be there within several months).
5) Start to withdraw regular army, because local security forces, and locals can protect themselves now.

Some 26,000 troops of the North Caucasus Military District are currently in Chechnya. The 42nd motorized division, two special brigades and an intelligence unit form the backbone of the contingent.

26 000. Do have any idea how many American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? Still you foreigners whining that Yanks already finished their wars long ago, while Russians still fighting.

Asked about the transfer of the command of the anti-terrorist operation to the Chechen Interior Ministry, Boldyrev noted that "the tasks of the Defense Ministry's units will not be changed. Their task is to eliminate rebels in the mountains," he said.

A gradual withdrawal of the Defense Ministry's troops from Chechnya is underway, he said.

"In the past two months, three tactic groups have been withdrawn," he said.

He said "the tasks of the Defense Ministry's units will not be changed."
TASKS, not forces involved in missions to acomplish this task. Your own artical prooves that withdrawal of regual army is already started several months ago. Good job.

hi ,



if that two month war is over , then why is the above happening , .....

have a nice day

Because some freaks, the most sick motherf*ckers perfectly realize that for their crimes they will be hanged and they still hidding somewhere and still attack. But each new day the number of those freaks is decreased. Soon we'll catch all of them.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Azazel

No? No one return? Really?

[Az]

noone!=a lot. Unless by a lot you mean a a couple of hundred of people. And that's.. well nothing. Many people did immigrate out of Israel, a couple of thousands do, and that's natural. But they surely didn't go to Russia.

[Kramerman]

Serb, i htink you wasted your time with all those replys... luckily it was only fiction, and little research was needed to compile them