Hopefully, Equal Opportunities Will Never Exist

[Nubclear]

This troll was slow going up the kill, but now it's like a speeding bullet

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Ok, let's see if I can speak for you accurately.

Equal opportunity is something which is impossible to achieve. Even if it was a possibility, success would be determined strictly by ability as skywalker has stated. If success was determined strictly by ability it doesn't follow that the losers would benefit from the system. Communism is a system that recognizes that opportunity can not be equal and that the govt should benefit everyone and treat everyone fairly.

No, communism is a goverment that the government should benefit everyone and treat everyone equally, which is stupid. Discrimination on basis of ability is perfectly acceptable... last time I checked, at least.

Also, equal opportunity is NOT impossible to achieve. As long as there is no discrimination on basis of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or nationality, you have equal opportunity.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by skywalker
No, communism is a goverment that the government should benefit everyone and treat everyone equally

Nope, you got it right about the equal opportunity in the last post, but you just pulled this out of your ass. I won't even read the rest of the post.

[Dr Strangelove]

I disagree with Bodd's premise. To me equal opportunity means access to a decent education for all, unbiased hiring and unbiased financial opportunities. I see utterly no advantage to leaving the working classes undereducated. I work a lot with lower income people and believe me, my job is a lot easier when I deal with rational, reasonably educated people.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Nope, you got it right about the equal opportunity in the last post, but you just pulled this out of your ass. I won't even read the rest of the post.

No, I didn't "just pull it out of my ass". And, if you had read the rest of the post, you would find that it wasn't about communism anyways...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
There is no such thing as equal opportunity, nor is it possible for there ever to be.

Actually, there is one way to reach pure equal opportunity, but I don't think anybody would want it.
Simply put all children in State-Run orphanages where they are attended truly equally by nurses following a strict bureaucratic code. Of course, the parents are not to see their kids, to make sure they cannot skew the opportunities.

Also being a big equal-opportunityist, I don't support this option, go figure

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by skywalker
Also, equal opportunity is NOT impossible to achieve. As long as there is no discrimination on basis of gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or nationality, you have equal opportunity.

As long as parents raise their children (I suppose we all want it to stay so), they have a huge impact on their children's education, learning ability, values* etc. This means that richer, more educated or more integrated parents are more likely to give better opportunities to their children, to give them a better start in their life.

Of course that's appealing. And everybody wants his kids to be successful in life. But by doing so, parents create inequal opportunity. This explains why so many people remain in about the same social category as their parents (or slightly higher).

In a pure equal-opportunity system, people from poor and uneducated families would have it as easy becoming doctors as children of doctors. It is obviously not the case right now : it demands a huge motivation to rise to the top when you are starting at the bare bottom (I acknowledge it is possible). It takes much less motivation and effort if you are already starting high.

[Guest]

I agree with Drogue
in principle, positive discrimination is just as bad discrimination...
In practice, I would accept it in extreme cases (getting into university is extreme) but I believe its actually bad long term. For example helping racial minorities to get in university DIRECTLY (not because they are poor or whatever but just BECAUSE of their skin color) is like giving them an electric wheelchair. SUre its fun to play around with all the buttons, but its even harder to catch up the others once you've stayed on it too long.
For equality among sexes, will not be reached when 50% of bank employees are female (or male) whatever these ppl making the quotas think. Equality will be achieved when at all levels, sex is NOT a factor at all for these kind of decisions.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by GePap
I guess people who never have kids are a bunch fo sueless freaks. After all, without children, man does nothing to strive to succeed. I mena, look at that Loser Alexander the great. He neevr ahd kids, and he amounted to nothing. What did he think he was doing anyway?

Biological warfare, genocide, mass slavery. Yep, Alexander was a standup guy.

Thinking that people do it all for the children is an arguement that is absurd on it face. Many of the most ambitious and driven people on earth could give a **** about their kids and what happens to them, even while they are alive.

Yeah, we need more "**** the future, I'm in it for myself here and now, baby!" types. More people should emulate Addi and Uncle Joe, too - they were paragons of ambition and drive.

[Whaleboy]

In terms of hiring and firing, as a private employer, one can hire who one wants. Ideally, it should be based on ability not race, but whether it is or not is down to the education and dispositions of that employer. If he chooses to hire only a certain demographic, then in his own private endeavor, that is his perogative.

Certainly in public institutions, under the control of the government, while I dont think equal opportunities in terms of employment should be staturatory, I think they shuold be encouraged and as a guideline, these insitutions should hire solely on the basis of ability.

[Q Classic]

i agree with bodds. i hope equal opportunities will never exist. only people of asian extraction should get good jobs. people of african, european, and american extraction can all do the grunt work and the labor with slave collars around their necks.

[Al B. Sure!]

i dont understand Boddington... not even the most conservative americans would take a position like this. i know england was not founded on the idea of oppurtunity but still...

[GePap]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Biological warfare, genocide, mass slavery. Yep, Alexander was a standup guy.

I would assume better from you MtG. The point Bodds makes is that people are only ambitious to give their kids a leg up. If they didn;t have such an ability, they would do nothing. This is obviously wrong.

Yeah, we need more "**** the future, I'm in it for myself here and now, baby!" types. More people should emulate Addi and Uncle Joe, too - they were paragons of ambition and drive.

They are paragons of ambition and drive. Not of morality, but of ambition and drive, which are morally neutral things. Oh, and we do encourage selfishness and living for the today now a days.

You can't get on a moral high horse that does not currently exist here.

[chequita guevara]

You ever wish Spink's parents had an abortion?

[Al B. Sure!]

i swore Spink as 'Stewart Spink' was a moderate liberal... now he's a crazy nut...

come on, boddingtons... I'm calling you a nut... me...