The war on terrorism is unwinnable

[Velociryx]

That's right...they might throw some more shoes at us....

-=Vel=-

[Pekka]

Atahualpa, Well why don't you give us some examples how we can show respect?

[Dis]

also, what change will happen when we get rid of our dependence on foreign oil from the middle east?

Could that give them the kick in the ass needed to start figuring out how to work and make a living the real way?

[Velociryx]

Diss, at that point, Tupperware will buy the ME to make LOTS of plactic stuff...

-=Vel=-

[Az]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
yes of course you are all soooo clever
live up to your full arrogance level and see how far you will come

I am sorry, I bow in your grandeur, noble savages!








I am glad to hear that pro and anti cultural-relativistic talk is beginning to heat up in Apolyton.

[Sandman]

Anyone with an internet connection, a grudge and a supply of fertiliser can become a terrorist. It's endemic to the modern world. To pretend that Islam is the sole source of terrorism is quite deluded.

[Atahualpa]

why? because you cant think for yourself?

Whom do you follow more? A rich show-off, or one that is rich yet acts like a normal guy.

President Bush's "either you are with us or you are with the terrorists" statement showed once more what the US thinks. Its the center of the world and there are only two sides. As if I could not care less. Doesnt that also represent the US political situation. What are there. Democrats and Republicans and slowly they grow together and become the same. How on Earth can one be satisfied of only 2 views. There is clearly more than black and white. And by pigeonholing everyone into this schema the US is making a lot of enemies.
The US has fought Iraq in 1991 then completely let down the people that revolted against the regime. What do you expect?
The world has one opinion about the US and that is that its acting in their own best interest all the time. Sure other countries do the same. Maybe all other countries. But thats just not visible from France, Britain, Germany. They are much more subtle. The US is the shiniest example of this. When Bush didnt ratify the Kyoto protocol because that would damage US economy. That was just a boost in favor of my opinion.
There were lots of reports here from the war where they said that british troops acted much more subtle. They tried to gain friendship with the people, build up a relationship,... the only thing I heard from a US officer was "we are so great, we will kill them all, blah blah blah".
Now I have followed the war not much but well that all fits into one big picture.

Basically if the US doesnt try to live in peace with the world this means war. And in the end ultimate war. The US cannot control everything. That would also mean you give up your so loved personal freedom (free speech, free blah blah) and then YOU will revolt and the US will destroy itself from within.

come ****er get up, come get down with the sickness,....

[Atahualpa]

if thats your first post to this thread azazel you can leave right away

[DinoDoc]

The world has one opinion about the US and that is that its acting in their own best interest all the time. Sure other countries do the same. Maybe all other countries.

Duh!

[Pekka]

It's not a question if I can come up with any ways to show respect. It was your argument. Now you must give few examples, or then your argument was meaningless.

You act as if Bush is the only voice of America, and what it stands for. And then you act as if you know the whole worlds one and only opinion. How black and white is that?

I agree that we must make friends, not enemies...

But as long as you don't provide any examples to your previous argument, I consider the rest of the arguments the same way. Complete trash.

[Jac de Molay]

Originally posted by Dissident
also, what change will happen when we get rid of our dependence on foreign oil from the middle east?

imo, that would solve the problem outright because we could divest ourselves financially, politically, and spiritually from that whole clusterf*ck of a region.

In the absence of that, we're probably all going to die. So kick back, watch Friends, don't question your leaders, and support the patriot act

[Atahualpa]

Of course Bush is the only voice. The only voice loud enough that can be heard here.
I do not know anything about what Al Gore said or if he is still alive. I do not have the time to gather information. I am in the same situation as an American with American news and from that situation this is my advice.

About the worlds opinion okay that was exaggerated. Its just the opinion of a lot of people that I have gathered and averaged.
As I said, everyone's doing that, but others are more subtle. Thats a key to success in my opinion.
You can be the greatest *******, if you fool the whole world nobody is pissed.

Respect of course is the "good" approach. Not the wheaseling one.
I assume every person has several needs. One is food. One is housing. One is expressing himself (through work, art or speech) but ONE and I think the most important one is be Respected.
Yes thats a passive one and thats the only one where others have to do the job. Now do not **** that up and you are done.

Speak out condolences to muslim families that have lost their members. Do what do I know to make friends. Heck I am not good at making friends, you ask the wrong for advice.

Perhaps respect is step 2 on the scale. First make them friends and then show respect. I guess maybe respect keeps then rather than brings everyone on one side.

[Az]

In the absence of that, we're probably all going to die.

It's good that you're not histerical and fear-mongering.

[Pekka]

Atahualpa, I agree with some of your points.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Atahualpa
I do not know anything about what Al Gore said or if he is still alive.

He died quite awhile ago. He was replaced with a robot.