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  • #31
    Originally posted by Maniac
    Would you like it if some country meddled with your internal affairs?
    It was hardly just an internal matter. The whole point of the law was the Belgian government was making everyone elses internal matters their matter so it is a bit disengenious to try to play that card now.
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    • #32
      The whole point of the law was the Belgian government was making everyone elses internal matters their matter
      Well that was exactly one of the reasons I didn't like the genocide law. So just as I think Belgium shouldn't meddle with other countries' internal affairs, so I think Belgium's internal affairs shouldn't be meddled with, even if it is to make sure Belgium can no longer meddle in someone else's internal affairs.
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      • #33
        You're a confusing person.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by August Borms


          It was continued (though maybe not completely because Belgium became neutral in 1936, plus they skipped the Ardennes because it was thought of as a "natural fortress" )
          why did they become neutral in 1936? And why did they dicide to stop their protection because of neutrality?

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          • #35
            why did they become neutral in 1936?

            IIRC it some something to do with our king being German.
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            • #36
              You're a confusing person.
              Thanks for the compliment!

              IIRC it some something to do with our king being German.
              Also because France and Great Britain seemed unwilling or unable to form a front against Germany.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by St Leo
                Are you American, Lorizael? I am pretty sure that the Belgium tirade only appears in the American edition of the third book. I, personally, have the British edition which lacks it.
                I think I might have the British edition as well. Where does said tirade appear in the third book?
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by August Borms


                  It was continued (though maybe not completely because Belgium became neutral in 1936, plus they skipped the Ardennes because it was thought of as a "natural fortress" )
                  I thought Belgium was neutral from the end of Napoleonic wars on. Did they cease being neutral after end of WWI and then reclaim neutrality in 1936?
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Maniac


                    Thanks for the compliment!



                    Also because France and Great Britain seemed unwilling or unable to form a front against Germany.
                    Please expand. What did they expect the neutrality to do for them?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                      I think I might have the British edition as well. Where does said tirade appear in the third book?
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Maniac
                        We don't threaten to demand the move of the UN out of New York if you don't comply with our whining.
                        Anytime you want to move the UN out of the US and vice versa is fine with me.

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                        • #42
                          hi ,

                          héhéh

                          actually there has not changed a thing , when a smart person makes a complaint , or asks a belgian or luxembourg based lawyer to file a new one based on the ruling of the Sharon trial , its back to square one , .......

                          have a nice day
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Oerdin


                            It was hardly just an internal matter. The whole point of the law was the Belgian government was making everyone elses internal matters their matter so it is a bit disengenious to try to play that card now.
                            Au contraire. There is a little thing called universal jurisdiction for genocide and a couple other things.

                            The only area where Belgium claimed jurisdiction in contradiction to international law concerned functional immunity.

                            The remaining problem, as far as I understand it, is based on prosecution a) not requiring residence or presence and b) being possible to be, although indirectly through a lawsuit, initiated by private parties.

                            Is there an expert in Belgian penal law here to discuss the issue on the facts rather than some silly huffpuff jingoistic drivel?

                            Oh well, I thought so....
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by HershOstropoler


                              Au contraire. There is a little thing called universal jurisdiction for genocide and a couple other things.

                              The only area where Belgium claimed jurisdiction in contradiction to international law concerned functional immunity.

                              The remaining problem, as far as I understand it, is based on prosecution a) not requiring residence or presence and b) being possible to be, although indirectly through a lawsuit, initiated by private parties.

                              Is there an expert in Belgian penal law here to discuss the issue on the facts rather than some silly huffpuff jingoistic drivel?

                              Oh well, I thought so....

                              hi ,

                              yep , ....

                              what you need to know , .....

                              have a nice day
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                              - LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA - one shot , one kill - freedom exists only in a book - everything you always wanted to know about special forces - everything you always wanted to know about Israel - what Dabur does in his free time , ... - in french - “Become an anti-Semitic teacher for 5 Euro only.”
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                                Au contraire. There is a little thing called universal jurisdiction for genocide and a couple other things.
                                Out of curiosity what is the basis of the Congo's claim against France?
                                Is there an expert in Belgian penal law here to discuss the issue on the facts rather than some silly huffpuff jingoistic drivel?
                                Why should penal law enter into it when foreign relations was much more important to the law being changed?
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                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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