Fate, Random chance, or Synchronicity?

[Dauphin]

IW: On second thoughts, it may just be because I just finished off my 4th Heinekin. Now on my 6th. Wahay!

[Az]

Big Crunch:

I think it's time for some... refreshing orange juice for me.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Azazel
That's great . But what does this have to do with chance?

Well if this universe is a simulation, then it implies universes can be simulated, which implies there is no free will, or at least that free will can be found algorythmically.

[Az]

Wait... YES! I got it! Thanks!

[St Leo]

Stupidity makes the world go round. Bloody-minded stubborn idiotic mindless obsessive stupidity.

[Boris Godunov]

Didn't Stephen Hawking postulate begrudgingly that there is no free will, that everything that will happen was determined at the instant of the Big Bang?

[Drogue]

I believe in fate so far as Complexity Theory provides the basis for our actions, and since we are all merely a product of our genes and our experience, I believe there is no such thing as free will, as neither of those two things are in our control. Since we cannot control who we are, we are not directly responsible for what actions we take. I don't believe in predetermining, but I do believe that if we were to know the exact position and velocity of every atom in our bodies, and every impulse in our brain, we could predict how someone would act in a certain circumstance. However since we cannot know both the position and velocity, we cannot predetermine. Therefore while no-one knows the future, I believe it is planned, but planned by nature, for want of a better phrase. That does not quite explain what I mean, but I can't really express it exactly.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Zero
Physicists may laugh at what Im saying but I think the universe can be understood and predicted thru science.

None of this quantum physics, I think uncertainty comes only from our limitations, thats all.

I agree. I think uncertainty principle means that we can never predict it, but I think it is determined.

[Frankychan]

Hmmm.

I think that there is a 'range' (i.e. "FATE") of actions that we can take, but can't exceed that 'range'. But within it, we can make our own decisions (Free Will).

On the Macro level-it's fate. On the Micro level-it's free will.

Does this make sense?

[Drogue]

Yes, but I don't agree with it. I don't see how we have the ability to decide small things but not big things. What causes this range?

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Drogue
Yes, but I don't agree with it. I don't see how we have the ability to decide small things but not big things. What causes this range?

I'm glad someone understood this.

What causes this range?

Your abilities, The Supreme Being, etc. Whatever you want. I've though about this myself. I personally believe that its a combination of our physical abilities and its threshhold combined with transcendent (things beyond the physical realm) factors.

My personal belief is that someone (be it ourselves, The Almighty, what-have-you) sketches out an outline of your life and basically we fill in the details. So, let's say at some point of our life we are to experience extreme joy...but the cause of that extreme joy us up to us.

[Solly]

Hmmm.

I think that there is a 'range' (i.e. "FATE") of actions that we can take, but can't exceed that 'range'. But within it, we can make our own decisions (Free Will).

On the Macro level-it's fate. On the Micro level-it's free will.

Does this make sense?

Constrained free will?

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Boddington's


Constrained free will?

Exactly. Free will up to a certain extent, then FATE takes over...

[self biased]

Originally posted by Frankychan
Hmmm.

I think that there is a 'range' (i.e. "FATE") of actions that we can take, but can't exceed that 'range'. But within it, we can make our own decisions (Free Will).

On the Macro level-it's fate. On the Micro level-it's free will.

this is exactly the sort of thing that i was referring to as "synchronicity." it's kinda like mother nature conspiring for/against you.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Didn't Stephen Hawking postulate begrudgingly that there is no free will, that everything that will happen was determined at the instant of the Big Bang?

Originally posted by Stephen Hawking
These quantum theories are deterministic in the sense that they give laws for the evolution of the wave with time. Thus if one knows the wave at one time, one can calculate it at any other time. The unpredictable, random element comes in only when we try to interpret the wave in terms of the positions and velocities of particles. But maybe this is our mistake: maybe there are no positions and velocities, but only waves. It is just that we try to fit the waves to our preconceived ideas of positions and velocities. The resulting mismatch is the cause of the apparent unpredictability